Simon Brown.

All articles and research about GOD, on my web sites and this blog are about the ONE TRUE Father GOD, who is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

As are all my articles and research about Jesus, are under His covenant name of the begotten Son’s personal name of Yeshua.

It is not my purpose to force you to agree or believe with what's on my websites, but rather to share my research.
As the record goes. I'm Just a soul who's intentions are good. Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. I am Simon Brown. Amen.

Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand! Matthew 11:15.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the
SON of God?
1 John 5:5.
NOT GOD OR A TRINITY, but as St john has said: but he that believeth that Jesus is the SON of God? 1 John 5:5.
And as Jesus has said: ETERNAL LIFE is believing His Father GOD is the only ONE TRUE GOD alone. John 17:3. Which is the FIRST commandment one MUST believe. Mark 12:29.

And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD and said: “O LORD, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are THE God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. 2 Kings 19:15.


Dear friends, just to remind you, as I am a human being, I am capable of making mistakes. If you believe I am wrong, don't let it go, but please be kind and let me know. Thank you.

But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21.



Saturday, 1 October 2016

DID JESUS THE WORD PRE-EXIST BEFORE MARY AS MANY CLAIM NO? Research by Simon Brown.

DID JESUS PRE-EXIST BEFORE MARY AS MANY CLAIM NO? Research by Simon Brown.

Interlinear reads in John 1:1.
Ἐν ἀρχῇ  ἦν  ὁ  Λόγος , καὶ  ὁ Λόγος  ἦν 
In [the] beginning was the Word and the Word was
 πρὸς  τὸν  Θεόν , καὶ  Θεὸς  ἦν  ὁ  Λόγος 
 with THE God and (a) God was the Word .

In the beginning was the Word, 
and the Word was with God, 
and the Word was God.
John 1:1. English Standard Version

Interlinear reads in John 1:2
Οὗτος  ἦν  ἐν  ἀρχῇ  πρὸς  τὸν Θεόν  
He was in [the] beginning with THE God


He (Jesus) was in the beginning 
with God.
John 1:2. English Standard Version

Interlinear reads in John 1:3.
πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο ,καὶ  χωρὶς αὐτοῦ 
All things through him emerged and without him
ἐγένετο    οὐδὲ           ἕν      ὃ     γέγονεν.
emerged not even one [thing] that has emerged.

English Standard Version
All things were made through him, 
and without him was not any thing 
made that was made.

Interlinear reads in John 1:4
ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς τῶν ἀνθρώπων.
In him life was and the life was the  light -  of men

English Standard Version
In him was life,
 and the life was the light of men.

Interlinear reads in John 1:5
καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει , καὶ ἡ
And the light in the darkness shines and the 
σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν.
darkness it not overcame. 

English Standard Version
The light shines in the darkness,
 and the darkness has not overcome it.
St John

Russian Orthodox icon of the Apostle and Evangelist John the Theologian, 18th century (Iconostasis from the Church of the Transfiguration, Kizhi Monastery.


Many but not all unitarians, believe and teach that St John was NOT teaching in John 1:1, that Jesus the word was with GOD, before all creation, but that Jesus the word was a PLAN, and an INTENTION, in GOD’s mind for Jesus to become His SON and saviour.

In fact I have been having many debates by emails with many of a certain type of unitarians, including a very nice Bible Scholar, and a recognised person with authority in Theology and particularly Christology, who is Anthony Buzzard, who also believes and teaches that Jesus was ONLY a mere man, who never existed before, or until Jesus became the son of GOD, born by Mary.

So what is the TRUTH.
I will present the biblical facts, which reveals the absolute truth.


John 1:1, 2, 3, translated by Simon Brown from the Codex Sinaiticus.

John 1:1, 2, 3, translated by Simon Brown from the Codex Vaticanus.

Hebrews 1:2. Codex Vaticanus. Translated by Simon Brown.

Hebrews 1:2. Codex Vaticanus. Translated by Simon Brown.


Lets not believe what we want to believe, but instead turn to the Bible, and believe the countless scriptures, that give us the Biblical facts.
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COUNTLESS SCRIPTURES prove Jesus PRE-EXISTENCE, which we will now EXAMINE.


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Let’s be a good Berean Jew, by searching the scriptures, and see if the scriptures exist confirming Jesus existed before creation?

We can see the biblical facts in:
John 1:1.  John 1:2 - 3. John 1:14. John 3:13. John 3:31. John 6:32. John 6:33.  John 6:38. John 6:41. John 6:42. 
 John 6:42 
NASB Lexicon
NASB ©GreekTransliterationStrong'sDefinitionOrigin
They were saying,ἔλεγονelegon3004to saya prim. verb
"Is not thisοὗτοςoutos3778thisprobably from a redupl. of ho,, used as a demonstrative pronoun
Jesus,Ἰησοῦςiēsous2424Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.of Hebrew origin Yehoshua
the sonυἱὸςuios5207a sona prim. word
of Joseph,Ἰωσήφiōsēph2501Joseph, the name of several Isr.of Hebrew origin Yoseph
whoseοὗou3739usually rel. who, which, that, also demonstrative this, thata prim. pronoun
fatherπατέραpatera3962a fathera prim. word
and motherμητέραmētera3384mothera prim. word
we know?3609ato have seen or perceived, hence to knowperf. of eidon
Howπῶςpōs4459how?interrog. adverb from the same as posos
does He nowνῦνnun3568now, the presenta prim. particle of pres. time
say,λέγειlegei3004to saya prim. verb
I have come downκαταβέβηκαkatabebēka2597to go downfrom kata and the same as basis
out of heaven'?"οὐρανοῦouranou3772heavena prim. word

John 6:50. John 6:58. John 6:62. John 8:23. John 13:3. John 17:5. John 17:8. Micah 5:2. Proverbs 8:23-32. Hebrews 1:2.  Hebrews 1:6. 1 Corinthians 15:47. Proverbs 30:4.

For the unitarians who believe Jesus did not EXIST before Mary, please READ: John 1:15 again. As JOHN THE BAPTIST makes this VERY CLEAR.
JOHN THE BAPTIST
For He, (JESUS), existed BEFORE ME.

English Standard Version reads,
John bore witness about him, and cried out,
 “This was he of whom I said, 
‘He who comes after me ranks before me,
 because he was before me.


John 1:30, Translated from the Codex Vaticanus, by Simon Brown.
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John 1:30, Translated from the Codex Sinaiticus, by Simon Brown.

Now this interesting statement told by JOHN THE BAPTIST, here catches our attention and on it’s own PROVES the unitarians wrong, because John’s fascinating statement says in the ‘LEXICON’ translation, Jesus EXISTED, before John the baptist. The fact is how is it possible for Jesus to ‘EXIST’ before John the baptist, when John the baptist was BORN 6 months before Jesus.

In the Interlinear Bible it gives us the words: The (One) after me coming, precedence, of me has for before me he was.

The Strong’s Concordance reads and translates the word, precedence, as meaning.
emprosthen, before, in front of, in place or time.
Original Word, ἔμπροσθεν.
Part of Speech, Adverb; Preposition.
Transliteration, emprosthen.
Phonetic Spelling, em’-pros-then.
Short Definition, in front, before the face.
Definition. in front, before the face, sometimes made a subst. by the addition of the article, in front of, before the face of.

Strong’s Concordance.
eimi, I exist, I am,
Original Word, εἰμί.
Part of Speech, Verb.
Transliteration, eimi.
Phonetic Spelling, i-mee.
Short Definition, I am, exist.
Definition, I am, exist.
Before, πρῶτος Prōtos.
first, chief.


Also notice we have the same and repeated statement by St John in John 1:30, saying: (before me he was). Where St John is confirming Jesus (preexisted) before himself.
John 1:30.


Here we have come to the TWO greatest statements, ever said and declared from the lips of Jesus, confirming His pre-existence.


Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58.

I and my Father are one. John 10:30.

I believe these two great sayings by Jesus, are the most misunderstood sayings of Jesus, in the Christian world.

Millions of Christians today believe this great, I am, quote, in John 8:58, and I and my Father are one, John 10:30, was about Jesus confirming His DEITY.

I was one who misunderstood this for many years, and now believes these sayings of Jesus are probably one of the most misunderstood sayings of Jesus.


Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58.

 I and my Father are one. John 10:30.

For the unitarians who make Jesus SON into nothing more then a MERE MAN, by teaching Jesus never existed before Mary, need to understand they are wrong, by what this explosive statement, I am, means.
Certain unitarians need to realise, these most famous two words of Jesus saying, I am, should take their theory to extinction.


When we seek we find. As Jesus said in Matthew 7:7.



Here are the very important facts regarding, John 8:58.


Before Abraham was, I am. 

John 8:58.


The LEXICON clearly shows, I am, εἰμί eimi.

And simply means, exist. I am.


Interlinear reads in John 8:58:

 ἐγὼ εἰμί. I am.


John 8:58 Interlinear reads:

Said to them Jesus Truly Truly
I say to you Before Abraham
was I am


But I am does not say, or mean, ALWAYS EXISTED.


Also please remember, this is what the conversation was about. The Jews were telling Jesus.


 Thou art not yet fifty years old, 
and hast thou seen Abraham? 
John 8:57.



As we have just seen.
Jesus replied by confirming, before Abraham was born, He already EXISTED


Before Abraham was, I am. 

John 8:58.
The LEXICON clearly shows I am. εἰμί eimi 
simply means (exist) I am.


Interlinear reads in John 8:58:

 ἐγὼ εἰμί. I am.

LETS EXAMINE MANY MORE SCRIPTURES, IN THE GOSPEL OF JOHN, REVEALING JESUS PRE-EXISTED, AND CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

Καὶ ὁ  Λόγος  (Logos) σὰρξ ἐγένετο, 
And the Word (Jesus) flesh became
καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν,
and dwelt among us

English Standard Version
And the Word (Jesus) became flesh and dwelt among us. 
John 1:14

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 John 3:13

NASB Lexicon reads in John 3:13:
"No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from 
heaven: the Son of Man
Greek
 οὐδεὶς  ἀναβέβηκεν οὐρανὸν 
καταβάς οὐρανοῦ υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου

◄ 2597. katabainó ►
'descended'
Strong's Concordance
katabainó: to go down
Original Word: καταβαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katabainó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ab-ah'-ee-no)
Short Definition: I go down, come down
Definition: I go down, come down, either 
from the sky or from higher land, descend.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Interline Interlinear reads in John 3:13: And no one has gone up into  heaven if not the (one)  out of - heaven having  come down the Son of man who is in - heaven καὶ οὐδεὶς ἀναβέβηκεν εἰς τὸν οὐρανὸν , εἰ μὴ ὁ ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ καταβάς  , ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου  , ⧼ὁ ὢν ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ⧽ 
English Standard Version
He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth belongs to the earth and speaks in an earthly way. 
He who comes from heaven is above all.
 John 3:31

Jesus said to them, “ very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 
John 6:32

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
 John 6:33

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
 John 6:38

At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
 John 6:41

John 6:42
They were asking, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then can He say, 'I have come down from heaven?'"
NOTICE.
THE JEWS CONFIRMED JESUS DECLARED HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. John 6:50

English Standard Version
I am the living bread that came down from heaven.
If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. 
And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” John 6:51 

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 
John 6:58

John 6:62
Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before?
NOTICE.
JESUS CONFIRMS HE EXISTED BEFORE.


JESUS CONFIRMS IN JOHN 8:23, HE IS FROM ANOTHER WORLD. CONFIRMING HE EXISTED BEFORE

Then He told them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
NOTICE.
JESUS CONFIRMS IN JOHN 8:23, HE IS FROM ANOTHER WORLD. CONFIRMING HE EXISTED BEFORE


John 8:23 and 24. Translated by Simon Brown from the codex vaticanus.


John 8:23. Translated by Simon Brown.

Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
 John 13:3

And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED.
 John 17:5
Notice, Jesus prayed to His Father confirming He had glory with His Father before the world existed, which means He must have existed with GOD before the world was created.
How could Jesus possibly have glory with GOD, BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED, If Jesus did not exist before Mary?

For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. John 17:8


DID JESUS EVER CLAIM TO BE GOD?
  tell you the truth before Abraham was born I AM. John 8:58. IS JESUS GOD?

If Jesus was claiming to be the GOD, He would have repeated the EXACT same words as GOD, by saying  (i am who i am). As in Exodus 3:14.

But what did Jesus say?
Instead Jesus only said (i am) which is Jesus name He inherited from the first part of His Fathers name, and means He existed, FIRST.
Which is why Jesus was telling the Jews He existed BEFORE Abraham, which is all in perfect context with the discussion.

Let us again return to the meaning of John 1:1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. 
John 1:1.
Notice St John says Jesus was with GOD at the ‘beginning’ Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ Means literally “the initial (starting point)

The word.
Jesus was God’s word, Gods mouth. Original Word: λόγος, ου, ὁ Short Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy. 
Jesus was His Fathers messenger.

He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
 John 1:2 - 3.
Notice again St John makes this clear, Jesus was with GOD at the beginning, and created all the worlds through His SON Jesus.
Notice, St John confirms nothing was created without Jesus, which must include Angels.

As this is the case then Jesus must have been with GOD before all creation, just as we are told: without him was not any thing made that was made.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. Colossians 1:15 - 16.

Colossians 1:15 - 16.

Colossians 1:16 - 17.

Colossians 1:15, 16 and 17, translated by Simon Brown from the Codex Vaticanus.
Colossians 1:15, 16 and 17, translated by Simon Brown from the Codex Vaticanus.
Colossians 1:15, 16 and 17, translated by Simon Brown from the Codex Vaticanus.

Notice here, Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. Many say this means the firstborn from the dead. But if we continue on with more scriptures below, we clearly see more evidence of Jesus pre-existence before all creation.

But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days. 
Micah 5:2
Notice, a prophesy, who will be the ruler in Israel, who can only be Jesus, which again confirms He already existed, as He came from the old, ancient days.

but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 
Hebrews 1:2.
Notice yet another verse saying the world was created through Jesus.

Let us now 'EXAMINE' Proverbs 8:22

English Standard Version
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning
 of his work, the first of his acts of old.

NASB Lexicon reads:
"The LORD possessed me at the beginning
of His way, Before His works of old.

Interlinear reads:
of old his works before of his way in 
the beginning possessed me The LORD

Proverbs 8:22, to 30, seems to be Jesus own words clearly saying: He was established and set up from God the Father who is from everlasting.

Let us have a closer LOOK in Proverbs 8:22, to 30.

In the English Standard Version.
4 TIMES WE READ Jesus was established and set up from God: 

1. Verse 22, “The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.

2. Verse 23, Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.

3. Verse 24,  I was brought forth,

4. Verse 25. I was brought forth,


We are then told in verse 30:
 then I was beside him, like a master workman.

From my own research, Proverbs 8:23 – 30 proves, Jesus is the wisdom in Proverbs.
Proverbs 8:22 means what it says. Jesus is subordinate to God, BORN and brought forth as the first of Gods works and before ALL creation, before His works of long ago.

Proverbs 8:23 to 30, is in complete agreement with Colossians, 1:15.
He, JESUS, is the image of the invisible God,
 (the firstborn of all creation).  

As we also read in Colossians 1:16. 
All things were created through him and for him, Jesus.

“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation. Revelation 3:14.


Did you read that? Is Jesus Himself saying: He was the witness, (TO) the beginning of God’s creation. 
Revelation 3:14.

John 1:1, 2, 3, translated by Simon Brown from the Codex Vaticanus.

Colossians 1:15, 16, 17. Codex Sinaiticus

Colossians 1:15, 16, 17. Codex Sinaiticus

Colossians 1:15, 16, 17. Codex Vaticanus.

The oldest Bibles testify the truth, that Jesus is FIRST and BEFOR ALL CREATION.
Strong's Concordance autos: (1) self (emphatic) (2) he, she, it (used for the third pers. pron.) (3) the same Original Word: αὐτός, αὐτή, αὐτό

Strong's Concordance autos: (1) self (emphatic) (2) he, she, it (used for the third pers. pron.) (3) the same Original Word: αὐτός, αὐτή, αὐτό

1 Corinthians 8:6. John 1:7. Codex Vaticanus.


John 1:7. Codex Vaticanus.

John 14:6. Codex Vaticanus.


I recently translated the TWO (see below) oldest MSS, and BOTH say the same thing. Even Trinitarian scholars admit and confess this sounds like Jesus is the FIRST EVER BORN and WITNESS TO GODS CREATION.
And the Codex Sinaiticus is virtually IDENTICAL.




CONCLUSION.
Jesus was BEFORE the beginning of Genesis.
Then God said,“ let (US) make mankind in (OUR) image, in (OUR) likeness. Genesis 1:26.
Jesus is in the last verse of Revelation.
Jesus was with GOD before ALL creation, and will BOTH be at the close, which makes both GOD and Jesus the authors and finishers.

The “Alpha and Omega” statements have nothing to do with Jesus being God.

As we have  EXAMINED, there are countless scriptures saying Jesus EXISTED FIRST, and BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED.

For Quick Reference.

John 1:1. John 1:2 - 3. John 1:14.
 John 3:13. John 3:31. John 6:32. John 6:33.
 John 6:38. John 6:41. John 6:42. John 6:50. 
John 6:58. John 6:62. John 8:23. John 13:3.
John 17:5. John 17:8. John 17:24. Micah 5:2. 
Proverbs 8:23-32. Hebrews 1:2.  Hebrews 1:6.
1 Corinthians 15:47. Proverbs 30:4.
John 17:24.

There are NO scriptures saying Jesus always EXISTED, but many saying He truly is the FIRST BORN and ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of GOD.


Hebrews 1:

The scriptures teach, Jesus is GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


Jesus always said, He was the SON of GOD.

Jesus.
do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’
 because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 
John 10:36

Who else believed Jesus WAS THE FIRST-BORN OF ALL CREATION?

What does Newton, one of the worlds greatest scientists have to say on this subject?
The true God is a living, intelligent and powerful Being.
 Said Newton.

SIR ISAAC NEWTON.


What does Newton, one of the worlds greatest scientists have to say on this subject?

WHEN, AFTER SOME HERETICS HAD TAKEN CHRIST FOR A MERE MAN AND OTHERS FOR THE SUPREME GOD, St John in his Gospel endeavoured to state his nature so that men might have from thence a right apprehension of him and avoid those heresies and to that end calls him the word or logos: we must suppose that he intended that term in the sense that it was taken in the world before he used it when in like manner applied to an intelligent being. For if the Apostles had not used words as they found them how could they expect to have been rightly understood. Now the term logos before St John wrote, was generally used in the sense of the Platonists, when applied to an intelligent being and the Arians understood it in the same sense, and therefore theirs is the true sense of St John.

English Standard Version

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
 John 3:12.

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. 

John 5:24

MORE SUPPORTING TEACHINGS AND SCRIPTURES By English Standard Version.

to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
Jude 1:25 

And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Luke 10:18

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. Philippians 2:6- 7
NOTICE.
Jesus humbled himself to become flesh and human and a servant PROVING He must have pre-existed as Jesus LOWERED himself from a HIGHER  STATE.

Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Surely you know! Proverbs 30:4


DID JESUS THE WORD PRE EXIST BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED? NEW VIDEO 

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Here is an excellent article I just discovered after writing this article, 
which seems to agree with my research.