4. At the time I had a closed mind and heart which stopped me from hearing what the other side had to say which then stopped me from doing any research to discover if the foundations of my Trinity faith was as solid as a rock.
That adds up to why Jesus always said His Father GOD was in Him, as God and Jesus are in the true Born again.
And how will they be saved if they do not: look on the Son and believe in him
By BIG KOOL
Jesus never claimed to be God!
By Romaine Myrie
why whan Jesus on the cross why did he call to god knowing that he is god so why did he call to god ????
Samuel Makula1 year ago
Is Jesus and his fahter One?
No Jesus said it him self that the father is greater than himself .. even if you think logically how can the father and the son be one??
By The Trinity Delusion.
In John 8, the Jews asked Jesus just who he thought he was. In response to this, Jesus said, "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing." In other words, Jesus said he did not glorify himself concerning WHO he was because if he did, it would mean nothing. In direct contradiction to Jesus' own words about glorifying himself concerning WHO he was, Trinitarians have Jesus glorifying himself in the highest way possible by interpreting his words at John 8:58 to say he is God Most High, the God of these Jews to whom he was speaking. Why do Trinitarians not hear what Jesus said about glorifying himself? In this selfsame dialogue Jesus tells us they do not hear him - because they are not of God.
By Adam Dilem,
Did he eat, drink, sleep, been tempted by the devil, was in a woman's Womb for nine months, came out of where she does her toilet, then he was helples and his life depended on his mother's care and protection ect ect? Any sane person knows he can not be God. Why take an ambiguous verse to support your idol worshiping and blind the eyes on explicit verses where he denies to be God?
The answer is no, look in the KJV," I am" is not capitalized. The translators for the KJV would have had "I AM" if they believed Jesus was saying he was the I AM, as in the OT. In newer translations they put "born" after "Abraham", it would be like saying before Abraham was born, Jehovah. Does that make sense? Jesus is only saying he existed, and after being accused of having a demon in him, a pre-existence would have made them think they were right. It would be odd for Jesus to say the Father was his and everyone else' s God, then say he was God.
By Jeff Krueger.
Jesus did say "ego eimi" which means "I am" or "it is I". Does this mean he is saying that he is God. No. No more than if you were to ask me a question and I answered "I am" Does that mean that I am saying that I am God? No. The phrase "I am" in English is very common. Let's look at some other verses from the Bible:
Mat 26:25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
Judas here had the expression "ego eimi".
Mar 6:50 For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.
Jesus here says the expression "ego eimi" Is he saying "I am God"? Or is he just saying I am?
Luk 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
The angel Gabriel said "ego eimi"
Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
John the Baptist said "ego eimi"
My point in all this is that saying I am is not unusual. It is common now and it was common 2000 years ago.
So what else might it mean when Jesus said:
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus is saying that before Abraham was, I am he who was to come from Abraham. He is saying that I am the Messiah. I am the purpose that God had for Abraham and that was to bring a Messiah through him.
One thing that Jesus did not say is "I am that I am". If he said that, then he would be claiming to be God. Remember, Jesus did not always speak clearly. He spoke in a way that most would not understand. He spoke in riddles and parables.
Bottom line everyone: Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Christ, the Messiah. He willingly sacrificed himself so that we might be redeemed. He is now Lord and is over everything.
By Moe Morales/
Many Bible versions render John 8:58 this way: "Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
And Ex. 3:14 this way: "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
(Because of this, Trinitarians often refer to this as 'proof' that Jesus is the Hebrew GOD of the Old Testament.)
But are the words "I am" supposed to be God's name? Even if it were so, would it make sense in John 8:58 for Jesus to say the equivalent of, "Most assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was...JEHOVAH?!
Jesus is very plainly called a man many times in Scripture: John 8:40; Acts 2:22; 17:31; 1 Tim. 2:5, etc. In contrast to this, the Bible says, “God is not a man…” (Numbers 23:19), and “…For I am God, and not man…” (Hosea 11:9).
God is almighty had no begining and never have end "eternity" Jesus was resurrected because he died. God resurrected him .Jesus now having rulership will never die...He will again give the glory back to His Father . after 1000 year reign were Jesus makes us completely cleanse.
By Jojo .Abrantes
All prophets, apostles and our Lord Jesus Christ are saying that there is only ONE TRUE GOD and that is the Father. According to
Prophet Malachi said "Don’t you know that we all have God as our Father? Didn’t the one God create each of us? Then why do you cheat each other by breaking the agreement God made with your ancestors?" - Malachi 2:10
Apostle Paul said: "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." - I Cor. 8:6
Our Lord Jesus Christ said: "Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God." -
"Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,...And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." - John 17:1,3
There is only ONE TRUE GOD, and that is THE FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was made by God to be the mediator between GOD and MAN, and that is written in I Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,"
Does our Lord God allow a MAN to be a GOD also? No. God said: "Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:" - Ezekiel 28:2
How about, him being a GOD to be a MAN, does he allow that? No. Like what God said in Hosea 11:9, "I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city"
Therefore, the teaching of the Bible concerning the TRUE GOD is very clear:
1. Jesus said that he is a man - John 8:40
2. Our Lord Jesus Christ is different from God - John 8:40
3. Our Lord Jesus Christ clearly stated that there is ONE TRUE GOD, The FATHER, he is our Father in Heaven, He is our God - John 17:1,3 and John 20:17
That is the teaching we get from the Last Messenger of God in the Far East,
Bro. Felix Y. Manalo, instrumented by God to send this message to whole world through the church founded by Christ himself, the IGLESIA NI CRISTO or the CHURCH OF CHRIST.
By David Ramadeen.
One in purpose, NOT One being. Jesus acknowledge he is the Son of God-the-father and God-the-father acknowledge that Jesus is his son. SO WHO ARE YOU TO SAY DIFFERENTLY? Only Satan and his deceived agents say differently from the written words. Everything that the Son do is the same as what the Father wanted to be done (Jesus said soJoh_5:30 ) THAT IS WHY ==> whatever you do to the Son you also do to the father. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER "and" in his SON you are an anti-christ( 1Jn_2:22) ====>EVERYONE SAY the words "I AM" when they identify themselves but that does not make them God-the-father::::.Mat_17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. Act_13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I beJoh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. gotten thee. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER and his SON you are an anti-christ1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Mat_8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Mat_14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Mat_16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Luk_22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Luk_22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I aJoh_11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. m.Act_8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Rev_2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;=== 1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE BOTH the FATHER and the SON.Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat_11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
And this Trinity doctrine is not the only lie promoted Christendom. There are many more teaching and traditions that have pagan origins. At any rate I chose a few individual and joined the conversation ... going to try a reason with them ... etc. But I myself have only been able to that with those that were either very confused about the doctrine or never really believed it, even tho they attended Christendom churches. I myself growing up as a Baptist due to my parents was never taught it but found out years later that the this faith believes it. And I myself always viewed Jehovah & Jesus as Separate individuals with a Father and Son type relationship just as how the Bible describes it. ----------------- As you are finding out it pretty hard to convince believers of this false doctrine due to them basically changing the meaning of the words and tampering with the scriptures. And even believing certain scripture are promoting the trinity when they are not. They refuse to reason when there is so much information on this subject. And like I said they don't even believe Jesus words when the Jews (the religious leaders) accused Jesus being equal. So in reality Jesus settled this issue when he was on Earth. But this was also prophesied to happen and even started before all the Apostles who acted as a restraint ... etc. -------------- Anyway ... I'll see if I can reason with a few ... there not asking the right questions ... etc. I have been able to reason with a few when I get them to look at Jesus own testimony on this subject.
The father wasnt made better than anyone he is better than all even christ
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