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Friday, 6 February 2015

Is Jonah From The Bible The First Ever Recorded-Near-Death Experience?

  • English: Detail of the Verduner altarpiece in Klosterneuburg, Austria by Nicholas of Verdun. Jonah in the whale. sub legem. champlevé enamel.

  • By Goodness Shamrock (Own work) [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

  • Matthew 12:40. Jonah from the Bible. Photos by Copyright �2011 iStockphoto LP.


  • To understand this story we need to look at Jonah 2 - In the Belly of the fish.
    Is Jonah from the Bible the first ever recorded near death Experience? 
  •                                  Near-Death Experience?
  • By Simon Brown.  Photos by Copyright ©2011 iStockphoto LP.
  • "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:40  
  • Although there has and still is much debate amongst scholars and preachers that’s nothing new. 
  • From my research I find some more interesting facts. More facts I have not seen written or mentioned anywhere else. It’s this as you see above in Matthew 12;40 where Jesus states he would be for three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." In this verse Jesus compared his death and resurrection to a similar story eg. the story of Jonah 2 - In the Belly of the Fish
  • To understand what I am about to say here we need to look at Jonah 2 - In the Belly of the Fish.
    Jonah 2
     1 Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish’s belly. 2 And he said:
          “ I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
          And He answered me.

          “ Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
          And You heard my voice.
           3 For You cast me into the deep,
          Into the heart of the seas,
          And the floods surrounded me;
          All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
           4 Then I said, ‘I have been cast out of Your sight;
          Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.’
           5 The waters surrounded me, even to my soul; 
          The deep closed around me;
          Weeds were wrapped around my head.
           6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
          The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
          Yet You have brought up my life from the pit, 

          O LORD, my God.
           7 “ When my soul fainted within me,
          I remembered the LORD;
          And my prayer went up to You,
          Into Your holy temple.
           8 “ Those who regard worthless idols
          Forsake their own Mercy.
           9 But I will sacrifice to You
          With the voice of thanksgiving;
          I will pay what I have vowed.
          Salvation is of the LORD.”

    10 So the LORD spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.
    After Jonah's prayers we read from Jonah 2:6 he states I went down to the mountains.
    He then continues to say he was brought up from the PIT. We will return to this shortly

    There are 2 identical factors here. Jesus told us this story of Jonah 2 - In the Belly of the Fish "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."  Let us look at the facts.
    1 Jesus was laid in a tomb.
      Jonah was laid in a Fish.
    2 Jesus’ soul descended into Hades.
       Jonah's soul was brought up from a PIT. So his soul must have descended down in to a PIT
    3 In 3 days Jesus was raised.
       In 3 days Jonah was raised.
    4 Jonah believed and repented and was saved.
       If we believe and repent we are saved.
    5 Jonah went out to a great city called Nineveh, and there, on the spot, he cried against the wickedness of it. They accepted Jonah as the prophet of God and they repented and they were saved
                    
    Jonah went out to a great city called Nineveh, and there, on the spot, he cried against the wickedness of it. Copyright �2011 iStockphoto LP.

    Copyright ©2011 iStockphoto LP.

  • Jesus is crying out to the wickedness of the world to believe him and repent. Those who acccept Jesus believe in him and repent will be saved.

    Psalm 145:18.

    What does the bible say about this PIT? Is it Hades,Sheol or the Underworld.   
    Here Peter tells us Jesus visited Hades
    1 Peter 3:19 (NKJV) by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
     Is Peter talking about compartments in a PIT in the earth? 
     Did Jonah's soul descend into Hades? 7 “ When my soul fainted within me, 6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains;       The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;       Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
    In the verse above Jonah tells us he was brought up from the PIT 
    In the verses below I believe are HADES/Sheol, or the Underworld. 
    Lamentations 3:6 He has made me dwell in darkness like those long dead.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Lamentations 3:55 I called on your name, O LORD, from the depths of the pit.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Ezekiel 26:20 then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place in the land of the living. 
    Josephus's states
    Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; 
    Josephus's states
    Hades, is a place of perpetual darkness which is a region allotted as a place of custody for souls, This confirms with  Psalm 88:6 (New King James Version)
     
    6 You have laid me in the lowest pit,
             In darkness, in the depths. 

    When Jonah was in the fish, although I am not certain  AND MANY MAY DISAGREEbelieve Jonah COULD have actually died, and then his soul descended into Hades Sheol or the Underworld.  After Jonah's repentance and prayers God raised Jonah back to life 3 days later still allowing him to go to Hades first as a warning for his disobedience. I DON'T KNOW - MAY BE.

    How can any man live for 3 days in a fish and survive?

    Jonah a native of Galilee was rendered a type of our blessed Lord. 

    We do know that Jesus brought the souls of those who were in the Old Testament Paradise into Heaven with Him after he rose from the tomb. 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. Matthew 27:51

    Luke 16:19 tells us that Hades had TWO compartments: Paradise and Torment. Lazarus went to the Paradise side; but, the rich man went to the Torment side.

    However this is very interesting as told by Enoch who states there are four compartments one being Paradise where the saints lived.



    The Book of Enoch, by R.H. Charles,
    The Book of Enoch, by R.H. Charles, [1917], at sacred-texts.com
  • XXII. Sheol, or the Underworld.

    CHAPTER XXII.

    1. And hence  I went to another place, and he showed me in the west another great and high mountain [and] of hard rock.
    Gg 
    2. And there were †four† hollow places in it, deep and very smooth: †three† of them were dark and one bright; and there was a fountain of water in its midst. And I said: '†How† smooth are these hollow places, and deep and dark to view.'

    We than have the book of Ephesians confirming with The Book of Enoch,

    Jesus soul descended into Hades. Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? Ephesians 4:9 NKJV


    So we have these verses below.

    1 Psalm 88:6

    Lamentations 3:6

    3  Lamentations 3:55

    4 Ezekiel 26:20

    Confirming with The Book of Enoch, AND confirming with one another.

     

    And we have JONAH stating - I went down to the moorings of the mountains;

    Confirming with The Book of Enoch and he showed me in the west another great and high mountain

    Also we know that Jesus’ body was laid dead in the tomb which confirms why Jesus told us about Matthew 12:40 indicating Jonahs body was laid dead in the fish.  

     If Jonah DIED and I say again IF.

    THIS WOULD PROVE THAT JONAH WAS THE FIRST RECORDED Near-Death Experience

    DID JONAH DIE? I ASK?
    At the bottom of the page I have added some more notes about the PIT.
     

    According to Josephus, after he had been carried 250 miles in the Hellespont of the Euxine Sea, he was cast ashore
    confirmed by Jesus in Matthew 12;40 

    This is from the article FACTS of THE BOOK OF ENOCH http://www.realdiscoveries.com/articles.php?cat=377 Written by Simon Brown

    ALSO READ
    LIFE after DEATH (4) - The Experience of Jesus Christ  
    What happened to Jesus when He died (in the 3 days and 3 nights- between Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday)? By Pastor Derek Walker. Oxford Bible Church. CLICK HERE TO GO TO THIS WEB SITEhttp://www.oxfordbiblechurch.co.uk/pages/books/life-after-death/lad4.php
    More Notes DID JONAH DIE? By Simon Brown
    Although the book of Jonah does not say he died the book does make it absolutely clear that Jonah was in the/A PIT. 
    HEBREW BIBLE
    ז  לְקִצְבֵי הָרִים יָרַדְתִּיהָאָרֶץ בְּרִחֶיהָ בַעֲדִי לְעוֹלָםוַתַּעַל מִשַּׁחַת חַיַּייְהוָה אֱלֹהָי.
    7 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars closed upon me for ever; yet hast Thou brought up my life from the pit,O LORD my God.

    And below we have
    ALL agreeing that the PIT is the death, Sheol, grave or hell, the region of the dead, the underworld which is entered through the grave. Compare Isaiah 14:9, note; Psalm 6:5, note 
     SO IF JONAH DID NOT DIE THEN HOW COULD HE BE RAISED FROM THE-PIT, Sheol, grave or hell the region of the dead, the underworld which is entered through the grave when he makes it clear Thou brought up my life from the pit, O LORD my God.  
    Psalm 30:3

  • New International Version (©1984)
    O LORD, you brought me up from the grave; you spared me from going down into the pit.

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    You brought me up from the grave, O LORD. You kept me from falling into the pit of death.

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    O LORD, you have brought up my soul from Sheol; you restored me to life from among those who go down to the pit.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    O LORD, You have brought up my soul from Sheol; You have kept me alive, that I would not go down to the pit.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    O LORD, you brought me up from the grave. You called me back to life from among those who had gone into the pit.

    King James Bible
    O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

    American King James Version
    O LORD, you have brought up my soul from the grave: you have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

    American Standard Version
    O Jehovah, thou hast brought up my soul from Sheol; Thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

    Bible in Basic English
    O Lord, you have made my soul come again from the underworld: you have given me life and kept me from going down among the dead.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    Thou hast brought forth, O Lord, my soul from hell: thou hast saved me from them that go down into the pit.

    Darby Bible Translation
    Jehovah, thou hast brought up my soul from Sheol, thou hast quickened me from among those that go down to the pit.

    English Revised Version
    O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from Sheol: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

    World English Bible
    Yahweh, you have brought up my soul from Sheol. You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

    Young's Literal Translation
    Jehovah, Thou hast brought up from Sheol my soul, Thou hast kept me alive, From going down to the pit.
    Barnes' Notes on the Bible
    O, Lord, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave - My life; me. The meaning is, that he had been in imminent danger of death, and had been brought from the borders of the grave. The word here rendered "grave" is "Sheol" - a word which, properly used, commonly denotes the region of the dead; the underworld which is entered through the grave. Compare Isaiah 14:9, note; Psalm 6:5, note.
    Thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit - More literally, "thou hast caused me to live from them which go down to the pit;" that is, thou hast distinguished me from them by keeping me alive. The word "pit" here means the same as the grave. See the notes at Psalm 28:1.

    Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
    Thou hast brought up my soul from the grave - I and my people were both about to be cut off, but thou hast spared us in mercy, and given us a most glorious respite.

    Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
    O Lord, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave,.... When his life being in danger, was near unto it, Job 33:22; otherwise the soul dies not, nor does it lie and sleep in the grave; or "thou hast brought up my soul from hell" (m); that is, delivered him from those horrors of conscience and terrors of mind, by reason of sin, which were as hell itself unto him; see Psalm 116:3;
    thou hast kept me alive: preserved his corporeal life when in danger, and maintained his spiritual life; and quickened him by his word, under all his afflictions, and kept him from utter and black despair;
    that I should not go down to the pit; either of the grave or hell. There is in this clause a "Keri" and a "Cetib"; a marginal reading, and a textual writing: according to the latter it is, "from them that go down to the pit"; which some versions (n) follow; that is, thou hast preserved me from going along with them, and being where and as they are: our version follows the former; the sense is the same.
    (m) "ab inferno", V. L. Pagninus, Montanus, Gejerus, Michaelis; so Ainsworth. (n) So Sept. V. L. Pagninus, Musculus, Gejerus, Michaelis, Ainsworth.

Part 2

Continued from part 1

Is Jonah From The Bible The First Ever Recorded-Near-Death Experience? Part 2

  1. O LORD, thou hast brought up my {d} soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
  2. (d) Meaning, that he escaped death most narrowly. 
  3.  Here are some comments on this subject from my good Christian friends. Read their interesting and differing views below: 
  4. From Pastor Roger. 
  5. Dear Simon
  6. God's whole purpose in providing the great fish was to rescue Jonah and deliver him unharmed and alive to carry out his mission to Ninevah.
  7. By the way, did you know that the blood vessels in a Blue Whale are large enough for a man to swim in.
  8. God bless Roger
  9. From Simon
  10. Thanks Roger. Yes Roger I agree. 
  11. But are we not forgetting a very important fact here. In the beginning Jonah refused to carry out his mission to Ninevah. Jonah back slid and was disobedient to God. He was willing to lose his own life rather then obey Gods commands.  
  12. For this reason I believe God gave him a taste of HELL. To teach him a lesson before raising him back to life. 
  13. Similar to why the Lord God has given many people a vision of heaven and others of hell with a Near-Death Experience so that they might repent and turn to Him and be saved. 
  14. Also as Derek States in his article - Jonah 2 v7: "When my soul fainted within me (when he died), I remembered. 
  15. Also Perry Stone teaches that Jonah DID DIE and go to HADES. 
  16. And yes I do believe that Blue Whales are large enough for a man to swim in. This doesn't surprise me. For Whales are massive. 
  17. Even so do you really believe a man could survive for 3 days in a whale? - AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA?
  18. God Bless 
  19. Simon
  20. From Pastor Roger
  21. Dear Simon
  22. Just another thought - in all cases where God has brought a person back from the dead He makes it very clear in the Bible that they actually died, no doubts at all, so that the resurrection is clearly seen as His sovereign work and that He gets the glory.  The fact that with Jonah it does not state that Jonah died suggests that he did not die.
  23. I would strongly advise you again not to publish your article.   As a matter of interest I was speaking to 100 mature Christians last night at a meeting and without mentioning you or anyone else I asked if anyone thought Jonah had died in the fish - not one believed it.
  24. Best wishes
  25. Roger
  26. From Bob Bible teacher
    Hi Si, 
    Well I am happy to stand alone.  
    I'll only go by what the word actually says. It never says Jonah died. Also although Jonah did say (Jonah 2:2)" ..., I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of Sheol cried I, [and] thou heardest my voice.", this does not have to mean an actual death.  
    Yes the word Sheol is used many times of a physical location, the abode of the dead.  
    But it is also often used to describe a state of dread or feeling as if you could die. Psalm 116:3 says, "The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of Sheol got hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow." Also, "For great [is] thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest Sheol.( Psalm 86:13 )" I don't think that David was actually dead before he wrote this psalm.

    Blessings...looking forward to seeing you guys.
     
    Bob
  27. From Bob Bible teacher
    Hi Si, 
    Don't want to spend too much time on this. But I still believe Jonah was alive. 
    Was Hezekiah dead when he prayed:  
    Isa 38:17
    Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back.
    Jonah says
    Jon 2:1
    Jon 2:2 
    This is the language of the hebrews psalms. It is poetic. Someone does a good deed for you and you say thanks you saved my life. You don't really mean they saved your life. It is poetic.
    And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.   Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
    It was common in Hebrew poetry to liken being low in spirit (pining away) to death.
    If Jonah was dead then he was given a second chance which raises all kinds of problems.  
    Why wasn't the rich man given a second chance if God is just and fair?
    Si This is Jewish poetry. A psalm if you like from a man who was as good as dead in a fishes belly...no hope of getting out.    
    I chat to my lovely mother-in-law and ask her how she is. If she is really tired she says Bobby I am dead! So is she really? No it's a poetic way of saying how tired she really is.  
    Anyway see you later. 
    Bob

  28. From Pastor DEREK
    Dear Simon
    The issue ultimately depends on whether you take Jonah 2:1,6 literally or figuratively.
    As you point out these verses literally say he died and went to the realm of the dead. I go by the principle of interpretation that you take it literally unless doing that makes no sense and it is a clear figure of speech (eg; 'it is raining cats and dogs').  This is the only way to stay submitted to scripture for if we spiritualise scriptures that make sense literally we are putting ourselves above scripture.  But I can't see any theological objection to Jonah dying or any reason why it makes no sense.  I must admit that when this was first suggested to me years ago I initially thought it was fanciful but after studying Jonah 2 I saw it was plainly there as a historical record.  BTW Psalm 116 is a Messianic Psalm (see also 2Corinthians 4:13,14) which was fulfilled literally by Christ. 
    There are 2 confirmations: (1) Jonah 2:5,6 clearly says that he sank to the ocean floor before the fish picked him up which means he certainly came to the point of death
    (2) As you point out it strengthens the Type.   If Jonah did not die then the type correspondence is simply that Jesus was physically hidden in the grave 3 days just as Jonah was physically hidden in the fish 3 days, which is weak and means 'the heart of the earth' is not taken literally. But surely 'the heart of the earth = sheol.'  Bottom line - if Jonah died then the Typology works in a much more satisfying way.
    many blessings
    Derek
  29. I am Simon Brown, thank you for reading this article.
  30. Dear friends do you know the Lord Jesus yet? Time is running out FAST in this evil world.   
           Dear friends do you know the Lord Jesus yet? Time is running out FAST in this evil world.
    God is always listening, and he will be there for you when you choose to speak to him.God's there, listening for all who pray,
          for all who pray and mean it.
     Psalm 145:18, The Message (MSG)
  31. Gods there, listening for all who pray, for all who pray and mean it. Psalm 145:18, The Message (MSG)
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