Simon Brown.

All articles and research about GOD, on my web sites and this blog are about the ONE TRUE Father GOD, who is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who’s personal covenant name is Yahweh.

As are all my articles and research about Jesus, are under His covenant name of the begotten Son’s personal name of Yeshua.

It is not my purpose to force you to agree or believe with what's on my websites, but rather to share my research.
As the record goes. I'm Just a soul who's intentions are good. Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. I am Simon Brown. Amen.

Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand! Matthew 11:15.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the
SON of God?
1 John 5:5.

Dear friends, just to remind you, as I am a human being, I am capable of making mistakes. If you believe I am wrong, don't let it go, but please be kind and let me know. Thank you.

But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21.



Tuesday, 16 October 2012

I tell you the truth before Abraham was born I AM. John 8:58. IS JESUS GOD? Page 1 of 3.



IS JESUS GOD?


Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29.
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There is a ‘massively sad confusion’ in the Christian world, with Christians not understanding the truth of the divinity of Jesus Christ, the SON of God. Literally.

I was one who believed in the trinity. Then after seeking, as Jesus said, SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND, I believe I have now found.

Here is my own research, which I pray will help to clear up this massive confusion, which many will still refuse to believe. 
Before reading my research, please pray first, and ask God to help you know the truth. Keeping an open heart and mind.

This is why Trinitarians say the trinity is a mystery, because it is simply not true, which is why they cannot understand their own faith.

Once we know the truth of Jesus divinity, the Bible is no longer a mystery, and our minds are no longer confused, and the Bible makes complete sense, and there are no longer any Bible contradictions, and we are ‘truly’ set FREE.

Follow me Simon Brown and see the truth of the true SON of God, and understand the ONLY ONE ‘true’ father GOD .
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What is the trinity?
The "Shield of the Trinity" or Scutum Fidei diagram of traditional medieval Western Christian symbolism, since 12th-century CE.
By User:AnonMoos (earlier version of SVG file Sumudu Fernando) [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons
The "Shield of the Trinity" or Scutum Fidei diagram of traditional medieval Western Christian symbolism, since 12th-century CE.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (from Latin trinitas "triad", from trinus "threefold") defines God as three consubstantial persons, expressions, or hypostases: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature". In this context, a "nature" is what one is, while a "person" is who one is.
One God.
Main article: Monotheism
Christianity, having emerged from Judaism, is a monotheistic religion. Never in the New Testament does the Trinitarian concept become a "tritheism" (three Gods) nor even two. God is one, and that God is a single being is strongly declared in the Bible:

The Shema of the Hebrew Scriptures: "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one."[Deut 6:4]

The first of the Ten Commandments—"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."[5:7]

And "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."[Isa 44:6]

In the New Testament: "The LORD our God is one."[Mk 12:29]

Scripture contains neither the word Trinity, nor an expressly formulated doctrine of the Trinity. Rather, according to the Christian theology, it “bears witness to” the activity of: THE GOD.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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WHERE DID THE TRINITY COME FROM?

Apparently, Ignatius of Antioch was the first to support the Trinity in about 110.
Now I find this interesting. If Jesus was crucified in 33 ad, I just checked on my calculator, this means the trinity was not spoken or heard about for 77 years.

With arguments and debates regarding the nature of God the Father and the Son, around another 300 years had passed, leading to the end of the 4th century.

This part below is from the Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Bishop Hosius of Cordova, one of the firm Homoousians, may well have helped bring the council to consensus. At the time of the council, he was the confidant of the emperor in all Church matters. Hosius stands at the head of the lists of bishops, and Athanasius ascribes to him the actual formulation of the creed. Great leaders such as Eustathius of Antioch, Alexander of Alexandria, Athanasius, and Marcellus of Ancyra all adhered to the Homoousian position.

In spite of his sympathy for Arius, Eusebius of Caesarea adhered to the decisions of the council, accepting the entire creed. The initial number of bishops supporting Arius was small. After a month of discussion, on June 19, there were only two left: Theonas of Marmarica in Libya, and Secundus of Ptolemais. Maris of Chalcedon, who initially supported Arianism, agreed to the whole creed. Similarly, Eusebius of Nicomedia and Theognis of Nice also agreed, except for the certain statements.


Main article: Nicene Creed.

The Emperor carried out his earlier statement: everybody who refused to endorse the Creed would be exiled. Arius, Theonas, and Secundus refused to adhere to the creed, and were thus exiled to Illyria, in addition to being excommunicated. The works of Arius were ordered to be confiscated and consigned to the flames while all persons found possessing them were to be executed. Nevertheless, the controversy continued in various parts of the empire.

The Creed was amended to a new version by the First Council of Constantinople in 381.


As we have read, the trinity was not fully established for around 348 years from Jesus never teaching the trinity and leaving this planet, and in that time 1000s of Christians were persecuted who mostly know nothing about a trinity, who simply believed what Jesus taught, that He was the only begotten Son of His only ONE true GOD and Father.

I was shocked to read and learn that Constantine was a good person who then turned bad, he was a pagan sun worshiper, and asked to act as a judge in the dispute of the nature of God and Jesus, and he summoned the Council of Nicaea in 325.

He was famous for building projects like the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, of which most Catholics worship and believe is the tomb of Jesus, of which I have done a great deal of research on and believe it is not the correct tomb of Jesus.

I have added a part about Constantine from the Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Religious policy

Constantine the Great, mosaic in Hagia Sophia, c. 1000
Constantine was the first emperor to stop Christian persecutions and to legalise Christianity along with all other religions and cults in the Roman Empire.
In February 313, Constantine met with Licinius in Milan, where they developed the Edict of Milan. The edict stated that Christians should be allowed to follow the faith without oppression.[212] This removed penalties for professing Christianity, under which many had been martyred previously, and returned confiscated Church property. The edict protected from religious persecution not only Christians but all religions, allowing anyone to worship whichever deity they chose. A similar edict had been issued in 311 by Galerius, then senior emperor of the Tetrarchy; Galerius' edict granted Christians the right to practise their religion but did not restore any property to them.[213] The Edict of Milan included several clauses which stated that all confiscated churches would be returned as well as other provisions for previously persecuted Christians.
Scholars debate whether Constantine adopted his mother St. Helena's Christianity in his youth, or whether he adopted it gradually over the course of his life.[214] Constantine would retain the title of pontifex maximus until his death, a title emperors bore as heads of the pagan priesthood, as would his Christian successors on to Gratian (r. 375–383). According to Christian writers, Constantine was over 40 when he finally declared himself a Christian, writing to Christians to make clear that he believed he owed his successes to the protection of the Christian High God alone.[215] Throughout his rule, Constantine supported the Church financially, built basilicas, granted privileges to clergy (e.g. exemption from certain taxes), promoted Christians to high office, and returned property confiscated during the Diocletianic persecution.[216] His most famous building projects include the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and Old Saint Peter's Basilica.
However, Constantine certainly did not patronize Christianity alone. After gaining victory in the Battle of the Milvian Bridge (312), a triumphal arch—the Arch of Constantine—was built (315) to celebrate his triumph. The arch is decorated with images of the goddess Victoria. At the time of its dedication, sacrifices to gods like ApolloDiana, and Hercules were made. Absent from the Arch are any depictions of Christian symbolism. However, as the Arch was commissioned by the Senate, the absence of Christian symbols may reflect the role of the Curia at the time as a pagan redoubt.[217]
Later in 321, Constantine instructed that Christians and non-Christians should be united in observing the venerable day of the sun, or Sunday referring to the sun-worship that Aurelian had established as an official cult. Furthermore, and long after his oft alleged conversion to Christianity, Constantine's coinage continued to carry the symbols of the sun. Even after the pagan gods had disappeared from the coinage, Christian symbols appeared only as Constantine's personal attributes: the chi rho between his hands or on his labarum, but never on the coin itself.[218] Even when Constantine dedicated the new capital of Constantinople, which became the seat of Byzantine Christianity for a millennium, he did so wearing the Apollonian sun-rayed Diadem; no Christian symbols were present at this dedication.

Constantine burning Arian books
The reign of Constantine established a precedent for the position of the emperor as having great influence and ultimate regulatory authority within the religious discussions involving the early Christian councils of that time, e.g., most notably the dispute over Arianism, and the nature of God. Constantine himself disliked the risks to societal stability that religious disputes and controversies brought with them, preferring where possible to establish an orthodoxy.[219] One way in which Constantine used his influence over the early Church councils was to seek to establish a consensus over the oft debated and argued issue over the nature of God.
Most notably, from 313 to 316 bishops in North Africa struggled with other Christian bishops who had been ordained by Donatus in opposition to Caecilian. The African bishops could not come to terms and the Donatists asked Constantine to act as a judge in the dispute. Three regional Church councils and another trial before Constantine all ruled against Donatus and the Donatism movement in North Africa. In 317 Constantine issued an edict to confiscate Donatist church property and to send Donatist clergy into exile.[220] More significantly, in 325 he summoned the Council of Nicaea, effectively the first Ecumenical Council (unless the Council of Jerusalem is so classified). The Council of Nicaea is most known for its dealing with Arianism and for instituting the Nicene Creed.
Constantine enforced the prohibition of the First Council of Nicaea against celebrating the Lord's Supper on the day before the Jewish Passover (14 Nisan) (see Quartodecimanism and Easter controversy). This marked a definite break of Christianity from the Judaic tradition. From then on the Roman Julian Calendar, a solar calendar, was given precedence over the lunisolar Hebrew Calendar among the Christian churches of the Roman Empire.[221]
Constantine made new laws regarding the Jews. They were forbidden to own Christian slaves or to circumcise their slaves.
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UPDATE 23/01/2016. 

PLEASE NOTE. I now believe Jesus is NOT the same person as the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD.
I Simon Brown have repented. I was wrong.

I am now ‘changed’ and confident, Jesus made it very clear in one statement that there is only ‘ONE' true God, when He said: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.


Notice how Jesus very clearly ‘excludes Himself’ from being the GOD, by saying:  THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND Jesus Christ.

In this one statement in John 17:3, from the very lips of Jesus, He confirms His GOD the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
In other words His father GOD is the only person who has always existed and there is NONE other like Him, but Him, and only Him.

And then below in John 20:31 Jesus again confirms He, Jesus is the SON OF GOD AND says nothing about being the GOD Himself or the same person as GOD the Father.


But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, THE SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John 20:31.


We then have St Paul confirming with Jesus in 1 Corinthians 8:6, below by saying:
there is but one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ. 

Notice St Paul also clearly reveals and confirms with Jesus by saying, GOD the Father is ONE, not 2 or 3, and Jesus is ONE, not 2 or 3, as the doctrine of trinity falsely teaches.


But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, OF whom are all things, and we in him; AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6. King James Bible.

We then have an explosive statement below by St John in 1 John 5:5, confirming what a person needs to believe to overcome the world and be saved, by St John making it very clear, we must believe Jesus is the SON of GOD, and nothing about believing in the trinity or that Jesus is the GOD, or the same person as the GOD.


Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the
SON OF GOD?

1 John 5:5.

Notice how 1 John 5:5 continues to confirm with Jesus in John 17:3, and John 20:31, and St Paul in 1 Corinthians 8:6, confirming Jesus is the SON of GOD ONLY, and nothing about Jesus being the GOD and the same person as the ONLY GOD.

We now come to the greatest ‘commandment’ by Jesus clearly stating we must hear and understand: THE LORD GOD IS ONE.


And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29.

Notice again, there is nothing in Mark 12:29, about the ONLY GOD being 2 or 3 persons, or 2 or 3 persons being ONE PERSON or GOD, or Jesus is the GOD, or the same person as the GOD.

And there is nothing in Mark 12:29, saying we must believe in the trinity, or Jesus is the GOD to be saved.


Know therefore this day, and lay it to thy heart, that Jehovah he is God in heaven above and upon the earth beneath; there is none else. Deuteronomy 4:39. American Standard Version

Notice what Deuteronomy 4:39, says. There are NONE ELSE like The Lord GOD Jehovah. 

This verse on its own proves the trinity is false, because the trinity teaches there are 3 GODS, as 1, but Deuteronomy 4:39, says there are NONE but ONE who is The Lord GOD Jehovah.

Many Trinitarians will say Jesus said: I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 
John 8:24 King James Bible.

Many Trinitarians will say, unless we believe Jesus is GOD, or the trinity, we are not and will not be saved. 

Follow me and I will show you how it is the opposite way around, and how the enemy has fooled millions and is twisting a simple teaching of Jesus into a great deception.
See below The Trinitarians FALSE claim of John 8:24.
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A QUICK EXAMINATION OF JOHN 1:1

Do we, or do we not believe and agree the very first statement of John 1:1 is a correct translation?

So far from my research there is no dispute with the very first part of St John’s statement:
In the beginning was the Word. 

Meaning Jesus was God’s word, Gods mouth. Original Word: λόγος, ου, ὁ Short Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy. Jesus was His Fathers messenger.

Now lets understand the meaning of word “beginning" by looking at the LEXICON translation. Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ

Means literally “the initial (starting point) 

St John is confirming Jesus had a beginning and was with God the Father at the beginning of creation.

Notice, St John dose not say anything like in the beginning the word Jesus ALWAYS existed, but instead says In the ‘beginning’ (starting point) was the Word.

In fact there is not ONE single scripture which says Jesus always existed, and if you know of one, please do prove me wrong as I am still learning like you.

Strong’s Concordancearché: beginning, origin Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, FeminineTransliteration: arché Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay’) Short Definition: ruler, beginning Definition: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c) beginning. HELPS Word-studies 746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. “the initia l(starting) point”; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest (“preeminent").  

St John must know more about Jesus then anyone.
St John was the closest disciple of Jesus and literally lived with Jesus, and had plenty of time to ask Jesus this very important fact.

In John 1:1 from St John’s own lips he confirms Jesus had a beginning and dose not say Jesus always existed, which is why St John said: In the beginning was the Word. Meaning Jesus had a (starting point)
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MEANING OF THE BEGOTTEN.

Jesus was the first, literally, ’BORN’ not created, but the only BEGOTTEN, SON of GOD. 
English Standard Version

He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of all creation.

This verse on its own proves Jesus was BORN before all creation because it goes on to say: 
For by him (Jesus) all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things were created through him and for him. English Standard Version.

As we read Jesus is: firstborn of all creation, and all things were created through him, so this is clear Jesus was with GOD before all creation.

But the KJB is wrong by adding in creature, instead of creation.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. Colossians 1:15.


BEGOTTEN. Original Word: μονογενής, ές Definition: only, only-begotten; unique.

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:6. King James Bible

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16. King James Bible.

If Jesus is GOD, then how can Jesus be GOD’s SON, as well as GOD.

As we read by St John 3:16. The almighty Father GOD and creator,
LITERALLY sent and gave his only begotten Son,

John 3:16 on its own proves Jesus is not GOD, but GODS SON.


For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6. King James Bible.


How incredibly amazing is our God, who literally gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, not to condemn us, but save us.

Jesus, who is God’s only SON who is the word, literally left His kingdom and His Father, and came down to earth, to be nailed to a cross, and become the lamb of God, who takes the sins of the world.

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 Quick study on the word (Firstborn).

I have been told that the word (Firstborn) does not mean the first person.
A friend Anthony Buzzard who I have been debating for some time, told me: firstborn means preeminent and Jesus is the firstborn from the dead and “because of him all things were created [by GOD} Jesus is the preeminent one in all creation.

Sadly Anthony Buzzard believes and teaches Jesus never existed until He was born by Mary, and Jesus was no different to us humans. 

But Colossians 1:15, seem to make it clear Jesus is the (Firstborn).

English Standard Version

He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of all creation.

Also Anthony Buzzard said: Jesus is the firstborn from the dead.
I never believe what one person like Anthony Buzzard may tell me, without doing much research.
He told me Firstborn means preeminent.

However from the wikipedia site, it most certainly means the first child born to in the birth order.

Please never take my word for this.
I am sure you wont.

As Mr Buzzard tells me, I am a novice. He is correct  But thanks to God, He gives us many great tools to help us understand more.

Here is a quick study and another one further down.

firstborn |ˈfɜːstbɔːn| 
adjective
denoting the first child born to a particular person: the firstborn child of the queen.
noun
a person’s first child: their firstborn arrived.

Firstborn
For other uses, see Firstborn (disambiguation).
A firstborn (also known as an eldest child) is the first child born to in the birth order of a couple through childbirth. Historically, the role of the first born child has been socially significant, particularly for a first born son in patriarchal societies. In law, many systems have incorporated the concept of primogeniture, wherein the first-born child inherits their parent's property. The firstborn in Judaism, the bechor, is also accorded a special position.

While an only child will by definition also always be the "firstborn", in larger families the firstborn often perceives himself or herself to be treated differently from later children. Alfred Adler (1870–1937), an Austrianpsychiatrist, and a contemporary of Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung, was one of the first theorists to suggest that birth order influences personality. He argued that birth order can leave an indelible impression on an individual's style of life, which is one's habitual way of dealing with the tasks of friendship, love, and work. According to Adler, firstborns are "dethroned" when a second child comes along, and this may have a lasting influence on them. Younger and only children may be pampered and spoiled, which can also affect their later personalities.[1]

Birth order, and the role of the firstborn, can become complicated in non-nuclear families, with situations such as parents of one child or set of children separating from each other and entering relationships with other people, and then having children with their new partners. In such instances, the first child born in the new relationship may be considered the firstborn for that couple, even though it may not be the first child born to either partner in the couple.
References


^ Adler, A. (1964). Problems of neurosis. New York: Harper and Row.
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“Wisdom” in Proverbs 8:23-32.

Jesus pre-existed before becoming Flesh, because the word “wisdom” in Hebrew. Jesus is the wisdom in Proverbs.

(Jesus) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
For by him (Jesus) were all things created,
that are in heaven,
and that are in earth,
visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones,
or dominions,
or principalities,
or powers:
all things were created by him,
(Jesus)
and for him:
He is before all things, 
and in him (Jesus) all things hold together.

1 Peter 1:20.

Jesus name in the OT. and his redeemer the LORD of hosts;
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer (JESUS) the (LORD) of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6 

Jesus names in the OT.

Here are 3.
1. i am.
2. word.
3. Lord.

So that at the name of Jesus bevery knee should bow, cin heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and devery tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10–11

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isaiah 40:3.

The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 

For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Matthew 3:3.

Here speaks of Jesus as the word.
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Hebrews 1:3

Here God is talking about Jesus coming crucifixion and a statement that He is the FIRSTBORN.
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Zechariah 12:10

Here says Jesus also made the world.
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:2

JUST SOME OF MANY EVIDENCES JESUS PREEXISTED AND CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:47

Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; John 13:3 

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:38

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. John 6:33 

Jesus said to them, “ very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. John 6:32

At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven." John 6:41

But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. John 6:50

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” John 6:58
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EVIDENCE OF JESUS PREEXISTENCE BEFORE MARY.


And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED. John 17:5 
How can Jesus possibly have glory with GOD 
BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED, If Jesus did not exist before Mary? 

This is yet another one of many countless scriptures proving Jesus EXISTED, BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED.

If Jesus was claiming to be GOD. Then why didn't Jesus say  (i am who i am). AS IN Exodus 3:14.

But instead Jesus only said (i am) which is Jesus name, and means He existed.


Jesus pre-existence. Part 2.

Verses by English Standard Version.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. John 1:1.

1.     Notice St John says Jesus was with GOD at the ‘beginning’ Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ Means literally “the initial (starting point) 

The word.
2. Jesus was God’s word, Gods mouth. Original Word: λόγος, ου, ὁ Short Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy. Jesus was His Fathers messenger.

He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:2 - 3.

3.     Notice again St John makes this clear, Jesus was with GOD at the beginning, and created all the worlds through His SON Jesus. 

4.     Notice and then St John confirms nothing was created without Jesus, including which must include Angels.

5.      As this is the case then Jesus must have been with GOD before all creation, just as we are told: without him was not any thing made that was made.

And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. John 17:5

6. Notice, Jesus prayed to His Father confirming He had glory with His Father before the world existed, which means He must have existed with GOD before the world was created.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
Colossians 1:16 

7. Notice here, Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. Many say this means the firstborn from the dead. But if we continue on with more scriptures below, we clearly see more evidence of Jesus pre-existence before all creation.

But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days. Micah 5:2 

8. Notice, a prophesy, who will be the ruler in Israel, who can only be Jesus, which again confirms He already existed, as He came from the old, ancient days. 

9. Notice, Jesus says He is the FIRST, which confirms with Colossians 1:16, which also says: He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of all CREATION.

but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. Hebrews 1:2.

10. Notice yet another verse saying the world was created through Jesus.

Englishman's Concordance
mê·‘ō·w·lām — 1 Occurrence
Proverbs 8:23 
HEB: מֵ֭עוֹלָם נִסַּ֥כְתִּי מֵרֹ֗אשׁ
NAS: From everlasting I was established,
KJV: I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning,
INT: everlasting was established the beginning.

Now to me this looks like Jesus is saying, He was (established and set up from God the Father who is from everlasting.

Lets have a look at Proverbs 8:22
King James Bible
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

In the KJV Jesus said (I set up, and I was brought forth, and one brought up) 4 TIMES in Proverbs 8:23 – 30.


11. From my research, Proverbs 8:23 – 30 proves, Jesus is the wisdom in Proverbs.
I believe Proverbs 8:22 means what it says. Jesus is subordinate to God, BORN and brought forth as the first of Gods works and before ALL creation, before His works of long ago.

Jesus name in the OT, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts.
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer (JESUS) the (LORD) of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. I

12. Notice, GOD the Father added a second person with His name called and his redeemer, and this same person was with GOD at the beginning, because it goes on to say, I am the first, and I am the last, which we read in the book of Revelation 2:8, who we know is Jesus, as He confirms He: who died and came to life again.

This verse means Jesus the FIRST EVER BORN. And this is why we have below
Revelation 2:8
To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

This verse is used by Trinitarians to prove the trinity.

13. I agree at times, the title seems to apply to both Jesus and his Father.
But Trinitarians believe the alpha and the omega both together prove GOD and Jesus has existed for all eternity, because the title is for both Jesus, and as GOD the Father has always existed, so they believe Jesus has always existed.

“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Revelation 22:12 – 13.

But I do not see how this proves Jesus is GOD.
I believe the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, have nothing to do with proving Jesus is GOD and proving Jesus has always existed for all eternity.

I believe the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last sayings simply mean Jesus was FIRST, present before and at the creation, and Jesus was His Fathers agent, which explains why St John said GOD made the world through Jesus His SON. 
So both Jesus and His Father are the authors and the finishers, who will both, be together as they were before creation, and work together to bring the world to completion.

14. The Alpha and the Omega, sayings, are certainly proof yet again, Jesus was the FIRST on the seen, and was the First BORN before any of GODS creation.

We finally finish with a scripture by Jesus confirming we do not need to believe Jesus is the GOD and in the trinity, but that Jesus is the SON of the only true GOD, and GOD will live in the person if we believe this.

Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 1 John 4:15.

15. If the trinity was true, I am sure it would be in this verse above, don’t you? The fact there’s nothing about a trinity, Is the proof it must be a false teaching.
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If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? John 3:12.
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IS THIS THE CORRECT TRANSLATION
OF JOHN 1?

LOOK AT THIS. It shocked me. This says Jesus (the word) was beside God. And as this seems to be the case, Jesus was with God before creation. As I have always believed.

Sahidic Coptic to English, In the beginning existed the word and the word existed with the god and a god was the word 

Latin to English.
In beginning was Word and Word was BESIDE (ALONGSIDE) God and God was Word.-------alternate Latin (beside: by, alongside, near, next to)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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This is why Jesus said:
BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM. MEANING I EXISTED. NOT THAT HE WAS THE SAME AS GOD THE FATHER, (NOT CREATED).
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD (JESUS) WAS THE WORD. Firstborn of every creature. Colossians 1:15.

Mr Anthony Buzzard confirms. 
Although he disagrees with Jesus pre existence, Mr Anthony Buzzard Biblical scholar, Unitarian Christian theologian, author and professor on the faculty of Atlanta Bible College, and Adventists confirmed to me that the true translation of John 1 could say: The word was a god is grammatically possible.


I find this an interesting statement from Mr Buzzard, since he does not believe Jesus existed before Mary.

And this is why St John said:
King James Bible. For by him (Jesus) were all things created,
that are in heaven,
and that are in earth,
visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones,
or dominions,
or principalities,
or powers:
all things were created by him,
(Jesus)
and for him:
He is before all things, 
and in him (Jesus) all things hold together.

And this is why St John said Jesus (THE WORD) was with God the Father, before the creation.
THE WORD WAS WITH GOD.  He was the firstborn of every creature. Colossians 1:15.
Colossians 1:16 - 17.
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Proverbs 8:23-32 New International Version (NIV)

Jesus described the same as St John in John 1:1, perfectly below.
23 I was formed long ages ago,
    at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
    when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
    before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
    or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
    when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
    and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
    so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30     Then I was constantly [a] at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
    rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
    and delighting in mankind.
32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
    blessed are those who keep my ways.
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Joel 2:27
Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am the LORD your God, and that there is no other; never again will my people be shamed.

All these verses are talking about only ONE TRUE GOD. He is Father God, and there is NONE like Him. (NOT CREATED)

SO how can Jesus be with God at the very beginning of the creation?

NOW I know and will tell you.
Jesus was BORN from Father God, FIRST BORN, and IMAGE OF GOD and is a god, or THE WORD WAS DIVINE. WHO IS JESUS?
Sahidic Coptic to English, In the beginning existed the word and the word existed with the god and a god was the word

God the Father means in the many verses above, there is NO, NONE GODS LIKE HIM who is (NOT CREATED) He is the only ONE.
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You must understand the truth, that will set you FREE.

I am totally convinced Jesus has given me a revelation, that He existed with Father God before creation. 


I then doubted if my change of mind, believing Jesus is NOT God was wrong. Then to my amazement, words came into my head saying, who was among the highest of all angels and the brightest in the sky? Surly SATAN would know if Jesus was the son of God or GOD. Including his DEMONS.

So I went direct to Matthew 4:3. And there were the answers. The tempter came to him and said, “ if you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

I was amazed.
Yet that was not all. I then went to Matthew 8:29. And there was another answer.

"What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?"

Did you see that? you are the Son of God. AND “What do you want with us, Son of God?"

SATAN and his demons knew who Jesus was, and they said He was the SON of God, and NOT God.

WOW. Now I knew for sure. 
Thank you Jesus, for again proving, you are TRULY the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of GOD and not the GOD.

I will leave you with this last verse by Jesus below.
I love you and pray God will lead you into more truth. Amen.

ONE SINGLE VERSE PROVING JESUS PRE EXISTED BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD.
(Jesus) Who verily was foreordained (KNOWN TO EXIST) before the foundation of the world, but was manifest (CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND BECAME FLESH) in these last times for you. 1 Peter 1:20. Colossians 1:16 - 17.
Jesus IS the firstborn of every creature. Colossians 1:15.

Notice what it states below - (2316 God, a god) - a first-born from prótos and tokos.

NASB Lexicon NASB ©Greek Transliteration Strong’s Definition Origin 

He is the image εἰκὼνeikōn 1504 an image, i.e. lit. statue, fig. representation from eikó of the invisible ἀοράτουaoratou 517 invisible from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and horatos God, θεοῦtheou 2316 God, a god of uncertain origin the firstborn πρωτότοκοςprōtotokos 4416 a first-born from prótos and tokos (childbirth, offspring); from tiktóof all πάσηςpasēs 3956 all, every a prim. word creation .κτίσεωςktiseōs 2937 creation (the act or the product)

 4416a. prótotokos 
 Strong's
  Concordance
  prótotokos: first-born
  Transliteration: prótotokos
  Short Definition: firstborn
  NAS
  Exhaustive Concordance
  Word Origin
  from prótos and tokos
  (childbirth, offspring); from tiktó
  Definition
  first-born
  NASB Translation
  firstborn (8). from ktizó
   
  NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries
    Copyright © 1981, 1998 by The Lockman Foundation

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UPDATE. 29/01/2016.
John1:18. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,

In the Old Testament, God, or was this God? Who was seen and appeared many times to many people like in Genesis 17:1, Genesis 18:1, Exodus 6:2–3, Exodus 24:9–11, Exodus 33:20, Numbers 12:6–8, Yet there are verses which say NO HUMAN has EVER SEEN GOD (Exodus 33:20, John 1:18).

Here is what St John said from His own lips. 
King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, (Next to the Father) he hath declared him. John1:18.

And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Exodus 33:20.

So who was the mystery person, which was seen and appeared so many times?

Whoever St John was talking about, when He said: No man hath seen God at any time.
It makes NO difference. As He made it absolutely clear. NONE has EVER seen God. And that includes Jesus Himself, if He was God.
As some may agree, including my self, we know it was Jesus in Exodus 6:2–3, Exodus 24:9–11, Exodus 33:20, Numbers 12:6–8. 

If St John said none have seen God, then St John is confirming Jesus is NOT God. Which is why Jesus could always be seen. Just as Jesus visited Abraham at Sodom and Gomorrah, with His 2 angels. 

And if Jesus was the same as the Father, (GOD), as some believe, than He would be the same as (GOD) the Father, and could not be seen, and visit people as Jesus did, as people would die.
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Jesus was with God at the creation and was God the Fathers word, who ACTED for His Farther and did most of the visiting and communicating, and always has revealed Him.


Notice an interesting statement in Matthew 4,:8-10, from the very lips of Jesus, when he was tempted by the Devil.

Lets have a look.

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’

Did you see what I can see?

Jesus said: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve HIM ONLY.’

If Jesus was God Himself, then why did He not say: ‘Worship ME AND the Lord your God, and serve US only?

Because He was making it clear, He is NOT as God the Father, who has always existed  But He is the SON of God BORN from the Father.
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The “Alpha and Omega”
The “Alpha and Omega”

Many say: The “Alpha and Omega” statements prove Jesus is God.
But instead are only applied to GOD ALMIGHTY alone, and the first and the last mean Jesus was at the beginning of all things.

He (JESUS) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15.
All was created through Jesus. Colossians 1:16 - 17. John 1.
Jesus was in the beginning of Genesis.
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. Proverbs 8:23-32.
Then God said,“ let (US) make mankind in (OUR) image, in (OUR) likeness. Genesis 1:26.
Jesus is in the last verse of Revelation.
GOD and Jesus are the authors and finisher.
GOD and Jesus will both be at the close. 
The “Alpha and Omega” statements have nothing to do with Jesus being THE GOD.
And the first and last statements by Jesus instead prove Jesus was the first to exist before ALL creation, and will bring in the end with His Father God, as we know it.
“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation. Revelation 3:14.
Notice above Jesus says: He is the witness to the beginning of God’s creation. Revelation 3:14. 

Please read my article: DID JESUS THE WORDPRE-EXIST BEFORE MARY AS MANY CLAIM NO?

Also read:
The short and SHOCKING facts, yet again, another Trinitarian DECEPTION. CLICK HERE.

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Our King Jesus is 
THE KING OF ALL KINGS.


King James Bible
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS,
 AND LORD OF LORDS. 
Revelation 19:16.

Our Father God is the GOD OF ALL GODS.

King James Bible
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward. Deuteronomy 10:17.

Theses are two more scriptures proving Father GOD and His SON Jesus are not the same person.
Because there is only ONE GOD, who is the GOD, and ONE Jesus who is the KING.
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THE MEANING OF I AM.


Before Abraham was, I am. 
John 8:58.

Trinitarians say and believe that in this scripture Jesus was referring to Himself, when GOD said “I am who I am” In Exodus 3:14. Therefore, because of this, Trinitarians believe that Jesus was claiming to be THE GOD.

I think we should delve in a little deeper here, and right away we can notice four important facts:

A.
Jesus did not say the whole sentence as it was said: “I AM WHO I AM” in Exodus 3:14.

Jesus only said “I am”, which is simply not the same as Exodus 3:14.

B.
“I am” was a popular saying, and can actually be found in the Bible over 700 times.

C.
The conversation between the Jews and Jesus was about Jesus confirming that He’d already existed before Abraham was born. This can be seen when the Jews said: Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? John 8:57.

This adds up perfectly with the LEXICON translation, which clearly reveals the “I am”: εἰμί eimi. The definition here means “I exist”, which does not translate as having always existed. This is made perfectly clear in Colossians 1:15 to 18, as Jesus is the first-born, proving that He did not always exist.

The Preeminence of Christ

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church.

There are many scriptures proving that Jesus existed before creation, (Please see below), but not ONE saying that Jesus had always existed.

Lets be a good Berean Jew, by searching the scriptures, and seeing if they are correct and true.

For Quick Reference.
John 1:1. John 1:18. John 1:2 - 3. John 1:14. John 3:13. John 3:31. John 6:32. John 6:33.  John 6:38. John 6:41. John :42. John 6:50. John 6:58. John 6:62. John 8:23. John 13:3. John 17:5. John 17:8. Micah 5:2. Proverbs 8:23-32. Hebrews 1:2.  Hebrews 1:6. 1 Corinthians 15:47. Proverbs 30:4.

D.
“I am” is the Greek idiom for “I am he,” or “I am the one”. Did the blind man in 9:9 say, “I am God”?! “It’s me” is the meaning, as everyone should know.

E.
The conversation between Jesus and the Jews would be completely out of context if Jesus was saying: I AM THE SAME PERSON AS THE ONE TRUE GOD, because the Jews were telling Jesus Abraham was born before Him, in which He rectified them.

Here is another very important fact. This is where I was wrong in my video here.

The clear FACT, Jesus was simply saying to the Jews, He existed before Abraham was born, as we know He did. As He was with God before creation. As Jesus was God’s word, (MOUTH- MESSENGER)
In fact the Original Word is: λόγος, ου, ὁ
Short Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy. So Jesus did all the visiting and communicating for His Father God. And this also explains why St John said all things were created through Jesus. John 1:3.

The Jews got many things wrong, and could not understand and accept Jesus already pre-existed. John 1:2. Proverbs 8:23-32, and was with God at creation, Colossians 1:15.

Jesus used the first part of God’s name, (i am) which was Jesus actual name. And simply means (EXISTED).
And this may be why the Jews believed Jesus was claiming to be God.
When Jesus was not claiming to be God, but revealing He was before Abraham, and ALL LIFE and that was His name (i am).

By ONE very, very, simple statement from the lips of Jesus, we can very, very, easily determine if Jesus was claiming to be GOD, in John 8:58.

All we need to do is very simply go to (John 8:58) to very easily know the truth of Jesus divinity.

Lets have a look.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, (i am).

So dose this mean Jesus was God, because He said (i am)?

NO.

So what would Jesus say to prove He was GOD?

Jesus would simply say, (i am who i am). Exodus 3:14.
Original Word: הָיָה Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: hayah

BUT Jesus said only His Fathers (FIRST PART) of His Fathers name. And said (i am)
 εἰμί eimi 1510 I exist, I am.

We now know Jesus has the (FIRST) part of His Fathers name, (i am) 


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THE MANY, I am's, (he) John 4:26.

THE MANY, I am's, (he)

λέγει αὐτῇ ὁ Ἰησοῦς,Ἐγώ εἰμι, ὁ     λαλῶν            σοι
Says to her - Jesus I  am [he] who am speaking to you
◄ John 4:26 ►

John 4 Interlinear

This is why Jesus used the many same statements in His teachings of John saying,
I am the bread of life. John 6:35 
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” John 6:51
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”  John 8:12
I am from above. John 8:23
So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. John 8:28
I am the light of the world. John 9:5
I am the door, John 10:9
I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. John 10:11
I am the Son of God’? John 10:36
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, John 11:25
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. John 15:1
I am the Alpha and the Omega. Revelation 22:13
When Jesus said to them, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground. John 18:6
Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he. So, if you seek me, let these men go.” John 18:8

So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. John 8:28
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58
The conversation between Jesus and the Jews would be completely out of context if Jesus was saying: I AM THE SAME PERSON, OR GOD, OR THE ONE TRUE GOD, because the Jews were telling Jesus Abraham was born before Him, in which He rectified them, by confirming He already existed.
And this is why Jesus only ever said the (FIRST PART) of His Fathers name. And said (i am) εἰμί eimi 1510 I exist, I am. Because He was not GOD Himself, but 
Inherited the first part of His  Fathers name.

The ONE TRUE GOD, SAVIOUR, the literal Father, desires for all to believe the SON He sent, John 6:29.
Who is the ONE TRUE begotten literal Son, and The SAVIOUR, which we must believe this SIMPLE teaching, and take up out cross and follow Jesus and be saved.
This alone PROVES Jesus was truly the SON of GOD, and NOT GOD.

For the Unitarians who make Jesus SON into nothing more then a MERE MAN, by teaching Jesus never existed before Mary, need to understand they are wrong, by what this explosive statement (I am) means. 
Certain Unitarians need to realise, these most famous two words of Jesus saying (I am) should take their theory to extinction.
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Proverbs 8:1-36. Is it about Jesus?

It is interesting to know that most Trinitarians believe Proverbs 8:1-36 is about Jesus Christ. In fact here is probably the best article I have read called: STUDIES ON PROVERBS Exposition: Proverbs 8:1-36. 

The article explains very well how “Wisdom” is the chief subject of this chapter, and makes it evident that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Himself.

Yet the problem remains as I was taught the trinity, they was as well, and are not willing to change their long held beliefs, so they have to find a way to explain away the part of Jesus saying: 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth. Proverbs 8:23 – 25.

Instead certain Trinitarians will use this verse to support the Trinity by saying that “wisdom” was appointed from everlasting, and Jesus is the “wisdom of God.

I believe they are correct in saying and Jesus is the “wisdom of God, and it evident that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Himself.

Lets now have a look at what Jesus meant when He said: I was set up from everlasting,

I always like to look at the translation and not say what I want it to say.
This way we can come closer to the truth.

Englishman's Concordance
mê·‘ō·w·lām — 1 Occurrence
Proverbs 8:23 
HEB: מֵ֭עוֹלָם נִסַּ֥כְתִּי מֵרֹ֗אשׁ
NAS: From everlasting I was established,
KJV: I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning,
INT: everlasting was established the beginning.

Now to me this looks like Jesus is saying, He was (established and set up from God the Father who is from everlasting.

Because why would Jesus say (I was brought forth) this would contradict Himself, as there would be no need to say (I was brought forth)
But just simple say, I always was everlasting, as God.

In fact if we go back one verse we can make a new discovery.

Lets have a look at Proverbs 8:22
King James Bible
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

Now lets have a look at the translation of ‘possessed’.
Strong's Concordance
qanah: to get, acquire
Original Word: קָנָה
1 get, acquire (all poetry) :
a. of God as originating, creating, קֹנֵה שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ

◄ Proverbs 8:22 ►
NASB Lexicon
NASB © Hebrew Transliteration Strong's Definition Origin
"The LORD יְֽהוָ֗ה Yah·weh 3068
the proper name of the God of Israel from havah
possessed קָ֭נָנִי ka·na·ni 7069
to get, acquire a prim. root
me at the beginning רֵאשִׁ֣ית re·shit 7225
beginning, chief from rosh
of His way, דַּרְכֹּ֑ו dar·kov; 1870
way, road, distance, journey, manner from darak
Before קֶ֖דֶם ke·dem 6924a
front, east, formerly from an unused word
His works מִפְעָלָ֣יו mif·'a·lav 4659a
a work, something made from paal
of old. 6924a
front, east, formerly from an unused word
KJV Lexicon
The LORD
Yhovah  (yeh-ho-vaw')
(the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God -- Jehovah, the Lord.

possessed
qanah  (kaw-naw')
to erect, i.e. create; by extension, to procure, especially by purchase (causatively, sell); by implication to own

me in the beginning
re'shiyth  (ray-sheeth')
the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically, a firstfruit) -- beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.

of his way
derek  (deh'-rek)
a road (as trodden); figuratively, a course of life or mode of action, often adverb

before
qedem  (keh'-dem)
the front, of place (absolutely, the fore part, relatively the East) or time (antiquity); often used adverbially (before, anciently, eastward)

his works
miph`al  (mif-awl')
a performance -- work.

of old
Parallel Verses
New American Standard Bible 
"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.

King James Bible
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The LORD made me at the beginning of His creation, before His works of long ago. 

International Standard Version
"The LORD made me as he began his planning, before his ancient activity commenced.

NET Bible
The LORD created me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago. 

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works.” 

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"The LORD already possessed me long ago, when his way began, before any of his works.

King James 2000 Bible
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

I believe Proverbs 8:22 means what it says. Jesus was BORN, before ALL creation, before His works of long ago.

In the KJV Jesus said (I set up, and I was brought forth, and one brought up)
4 TIMES in Proverbs 8:23 – 30.
Proverbs 8:23-32King James Version (KJV)
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.

From my research, Proverbs 8:23 – 30 proves, Jesus is the wisdom in Proverbs.
He is subordinate to God, BORN and brought forth as the first of Gods works and creation.


Revelation 3.14.
Also there is an interesting verse by St John in the scripture below, where Jesus makes it very clear, He was the faithful and true witness, to His GOD’s creation.

“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation. Revelation 3.14.


Pulpit Commentary
(1) that in which "beginning" is taken in a passive sense, and which would therefore make Christ the first created thing of all the things which God created; 
(2) the active sense, by which Christ is described as the Beginner, the Author, Moving Principle or Source of all the things which God created. 

Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
The beginning of the creation of God; not the first creature that God made, but the first cause of the creation; the first Parent, producer, and efficient cause of every creature; the author of the old creation, who made all things out of nothing in the beginning of time; 

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

Beginning of the creation of God—not he whom God created first, but as in Col 1:15-18 (see on [2684]Col 1:15-18), the Beginner of all creation, its originating instrument. All creation would not be represented adoring Him, if He were but one of themselves. His being the Creator is a strong guarantee for His faithfulness as “the Witness and Amen.”

Revelation 3.14, seems to confirm with Proverbs 8:22 and with what Jesus says. Jesus was BORN, before ALL creation, before His works of long ago.

In the KJV Jesus said (I set up, and I was brought forth, and one brought up)
4 TIMES in Proverbs 8:23 – 30.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

I find it interesting to read what Gill’s has to say on this matter below, who seems to also agree.



King James Bible
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. Psalm 89:27.

Also I will make him my firstborn,.... Or, "make him the firstborn"; make him great, as Jarchi interprets it; give him the blessing, the double portion of inheritance: so Christ is made most blessed for ever, and has all spiritual blessings in his hands; and is heir of all things, and his people joint-heirs with him. Christ is God’s "firstborn", or "first begotten", Hebrews 1:6, being begotten by him, and of him; and his firstbegotten, though none begotten after him; as the first that opened the womb, under the law, was called the firstborn, though none were ever born after; and in such sense his first begotten, as that he is his only begotten: and he is the firstborn, with respect to creatures; "he is the firstborn of every creature"; Colossians 1:15,

BEING BEGOTTEN AND BROUGHT FORTH BEFORE ANY CREATURE WAS IN BEING, PROVERBS 8:22,

and, with respect to the saints, "he is the firstborn among many brethren", Romans 8:29, they are of the same nature, and in the same family, and in which Christ is a son, and the firstborn; and in all things he has the preeminence; and he is also "the firstborn from the dead", or "the first begotten of the dead", Colossians 1:18 being raised first from thence by his own power, and to an immortal life; and is the first fruits of them that sleep, and the efficient and meritorious cause of the resurrection of life, and the pattern and exemplar of it: even him the Father promises to make "higher than the kings of the earth"; having a kingdom of a superior nature to theirs, and a more extensive and durable one; and even they themselves shall be subject to him; hence he is called "King of kings", Revelation 19:16. This will be when their kingdoms become his; when they shall fall down before him, and worship him, and bring their riches and glory into his kingdom, or the New Jerusalem church state, Psalm 72:10. This passage is interpreted of the Messiah by the Jews (f). 
(f) In Shemot Rabba, s. 19. fol. 104. 4. 
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DID JESUS OR THE DISCIPLES TEACH THE TRINITY?

It is interesting to note, none of the disciples including Jesus Himself ever said anything about God being 3 in 1. Surly if the trinity doctrine was correct, the most important people who wrote the Bible and walked with Jesus would have known and taught this in the gospels more then once and many, many times.

In fact the trinity is nowhere in the whole Bible except in 1 John 5:7.
King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

But this is said to be forgery and is not found in the Greek manuscript, and apparently Trinitarian scholars admit St John did not write the verse.
There we see something fishy going on, as who added this later, to fool people into believing in the trinity.

Comma Johanneum
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The Comma Johanneum, 1 John 5:7, is a disputed text which states: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." However, this passage is not considered to be part of the genuine text,[79] and most scholars agree that the phrase was a gloss.[80]

The Comma Johanneum (or Johannine Comma or Heavenly Witnesses) is a comma (a short clause) in the First Epistle of John, 1 John 5:7–8. The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in subsequent copies.

The passage in question, 1 John 5:7–8 (KJV), with the Comma in bold print, reads:

7. For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.
8. And there are three that bear witness in earth,
the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one.[a]
The Comma and the question of its authenticity have particular bearing on the development of the doctrine of the Trinity, which is central to most mainstream Christian denominations.
79. See, for instance, the note in 1 Jn 5:7–8.
80. Bruce M. Metzger, The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration, 2d ed. Oxford University, 1968 p.101

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On my search for the truth, I read an article by Daniel B. Wallace.

Who is he?
Daniel B. Wallace has taught Greek and New Testament courses on a graduate school level since 1979. He has a Ph.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary, and is currently professor of New Testament Studies at his alma mater.

His Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Zondervan, 1996) has become a standard textbook in colleges and seminaries. He is the senior New Testament editor of the NET Bible. Dr. Wallace is also the Executive Director for the Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts.

He wrote an article called: Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today.

I was already aware of the King James Bible being translated by Trinitarians, however my heart missed a beat when I read the following statement.

Daniel B. Wallace writes:
Second, the Greek text which stands behind the King James Bible is demonstrably inferior in certain places. The man who edited the text was a Roman Catholic priest and humanist named Erasmus. Full article here. https://bible.org/article/why-i-do-not-think-king-james-bible-best-translation-available-today

It is interesting to know the verse 1 John 5:7, which would prove the trinity, which is believed to be a clear forgery, is still in the King James Bible.
Why? You decide.
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WHAT DID JESUS MEAN WHEN HE SAID:
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE. John 10:30.

Most are confused with what Jesus said and meant when He said, I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE. John 10:30.
And believe this proves Jesus and the Father are ONE GOD.

I used to believe this saying of Jesus meant He and God are ONE GOD.
But then this contradicts Jesus own teachings, many, many times throughout the Bible, when He said countless times, He is the SON of God and there is only ONE True GOD, meaning (UNCREATED GOD who has always been).

When a man and a woman join in marriage and marry, they become ONE, and are NEVER the same person, and are always 2 separate people.

Jesus prayed to His Father GOD asking that He and His disciples become ONE.

John 17:11.
Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE. 

John 17:20.
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 THAT THEY MAY ALL BE ONE, JUST AS YOU, FATHER, ARE IN ME, AND I IN YOU, that they also may be in us,


There we see Jesus did not mean His disciples are GOD and will become ONE person, as Jesus prayed they all become ONE meaning complete agreement, and harmony. 

But Jesus and GOD and His disciples will still always be individual, separate persons.

Of course Jesus is true, in every way, but He clearly made this point so many times by saying: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Notice in that verse, how Jesus said (the only true God) and then Himself at the end of His statement saying (and Jesus Christ)
He excluded Himself from  (the only true God) 

I believe when Jesus said: I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE. John 10:30.
Jesus did not mean ‘oneness in number’ but simply meant they are both in complete agreement, and harmony. 
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SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND SAID JESUS. WALK UPRIGHT AND YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. FOLLOW JESUS AND WE WILL BE SET FREE.


King James Bible

For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. Psalm 84:11.


When we are seeking for the truth, It is most important to open our hearts and minds, and keep praying.

It is also very important to never wilfully sin and always strive to turn away from any sin that often faces us, because sin has the power to blind us from the truth, as it hardens our hearts and opens the door for Satan to deceive us from the truth, which is why I believe so many believers are confused and cannot understand the truth.

The Truth will Set You Free
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."  John 8:31 - 32.

Don't just take my word for what I say.

Jesus said SEEK AND WE WILL FIND.
Most Christians do not seek, and just believe what they was taught, which is why so many are wrong, and often do not discover the truth.

The Berean Jews were a perfect example of seeking the scriptures, to find the truth.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11.
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Is the translation of John 1:1 correct?

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So many Christians do not know, the end of John 1:1, where it says: (and the word was God), dose not actually say this.

And therefor we need to look at the many different translations, as this is where I was wrong in my research, as I simply believed the Bible was correct, until I received 100s of comments on my IS JESUS GOD VIDEO, which then alerted me, and made me do some more research, and then I discovered the end of John 1:1 does not truly say, Jesus is God. I was totally shocked by this finding.

Here is a good place to start.
As it seems to be a good case, St John did not say (JESUS WAS GOD).

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSource text and translations

Koine GreekἘν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεός ἦν ὁ λόγος.[3][4]
Greek transliterationEn archē ēn ho Lógos, kai ho Lógos ēn pros ton Theón, kai Theós ēn ho Lógos.
Greek to EnglishIn beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and God was the Word.
-------alternate Greek(beginning: original, foundation, source, principle) (Word: reason, saying) (with: toward, facing)
Syriac Peshittaܒ݁ܪܺܫܺܝܬ݂ ܐܺܝܬ݂ܰܘܗ݈ܝ ܗ݈ܘܳܐ ܡܶܠܬ݂ܳܐ ܘܗܽܘ ܡܶܠܬ݂ܳܐ ܐܺܝܬ݂ܰܘܗ݈ܝ ܗ݈ܘܳܐ ܠܘܳܬ݂ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ܘܰܐܠܳܗܳܐ ܐܺܝܬ݂ܰܘܗ݈ܝ ܗ݈ܘܳܐ ܗܽܘ ܡܶܠܬ݂ܳܐ ܀
Syriac transliterationbrīšīṯ ʾiṯawhi milṯā, whu milṯā ʾiṯauhi hwā luaṯ ʾalāhā; wʾalāhā iṯauhi hwā hu milṯā
Sahidic CopticϨΝ ΤЄϨΟΥЄΙΤЄ ΝЄϤϢΟΟΠ ΝϬΙΠϢΑϪЄ, ΑΥШ ΠϢΑϪЄ ΝЄϤϢΟΟΠ ΝΝΑϨΡΜ ΠΝΟΥΤЄ. ΑΥШ ΝЄΥΝΟΥΤЄ ΠЄ ΠϢΑϪЄ
Coptic transliterationHn teHoueite neFSoop nCi pSaJe auw pSaJe neFSoop nnaHrm pnoute auw neunoute pe pSaJe.[5]
Sahidic Coptic to EnglishIn the beginning existed the word and the word existed with the god and a god was the word [6]
Latin VulgateIn principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat Verbum
Latin to EnglishIn beginning was Word and Word was beside (alongside) God and God was Word.
-------alternate Latin(beside: by, alongside, near, next to)

John 1:1 in English versions[edit]

The most common rendering in English is:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
“[It] is clear that in the translation “the Word was God,” the term God is being used to denote his nature or essence, and not his person. But in normal English usage “God” is a proper noun, referring to the person of the Father or corporately to the three persons of the Godhead. Moreover, “the Word was God” suggests that “the Word” and “God” are convertible terms, that the proposition is reciprocating. But the Word is neither the Father nor the Trinity… The rendering cannot stand without explanation.”[7] Translations by James MoffattHugh J. Schonfield and Edgar Goodspeed render part of the verse as "...and the Word was divine."
An Orthodox Bible Commentary notes: "This second theos could also be translated ‘divine’ as the construction indicates "a qualitative sense for theos". The Word is not God in the sense that he is the same person as the theos mentioned in 1:1a; he is not God the Father (God absolutely as in common NT usage) or the Trinity. The point being made is that the Logos is of the same uncreated nature or essence as God the Father, with whom he eternally exists. This verse is echoed in the Nicene Creed: 'God (qualitative or derivative) from God (personal, the Father), Light from Light, True God from True God… homoousion with the Father.'"[8]
Other variations of rendering John 1:1 also exist:
  • 1966, 2001 The Good News Bible reads: "...and he was the same as God."
  • 1970, 1989 The Revised English Bible reads: "...and what God was, the Word was."
  • 14th century - Wycliffe's Bible (from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate) reads: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word.
  • 1956 The Wuest Expanded Translation reads: “In the beginning the Word was existing. And the Word was in fellowship with God the Father. And the Word was as to His essence absolute deity”[9]
  • 1808 “and the Word was a god” - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text , London.
  • 1864 “the LOGOS was God, This was in the Beginning with God” A New Emphatic Version (right hand column)
  • 1864 “and a god was the Word” (left hand column interlinear reading) The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London.
  • 1867 “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God” - The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible.
  • 1935 “and the Word was divine” - The Bible — An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.
  • 1955 “so the Word was divine” - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.
  • 1978 “and godlike sort was the Logos” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.
  • 1822 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.);
  • 1863 "and the Word was a god." - A Literal Translation Of The New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863);
  • 1885 "and the Word was a god." - Concise Commentary On The Holy Bible (R. Young, 1885);
  • 1879 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979);
  • 1911 "and the Word was a god." - The Coptic Version of the N.T. (G. W. Horner, 1911);
  • 1958 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed" (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);
  • 1829 "and the Word was a god." - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829);
  • 1975 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);
  • 1962, 1979 "'the word was God.' Or, more literally, 'God was the word.'" The Four Gospels and the Revelation (R. Lattimore, 1979)
  • 1975 “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word” Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany
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DOES GOD SHARE HIS GLORY WITH HIS SON?

King James Bible
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8.

Trinitarians often tell me, the Father said he gives his glory to NO ONE!! Jesus has the Father’s glory...because he is GOD. 

But I fail to understand, if this is God the Father talking, and not Jesus Himself, why would sharing the Father’s glory makes Jesus into GOD.

Jesus gave His life and was tortured for us. It was Jesus who paid for our sins, with His own blood. So what is wrong with Father God sharing his glory with His ONE and ONLY begotten SON Jesus?

Father God loved His SON for what He did on the cross. Is it wrong for God to share His glory with His only begotten SON?

And who are we to tell God, whom He can share His glory with.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Matthew 28:18

Jesus TRULY earned the glory the Father has shared with Him.
Which I see in no way proves Jesus was God.

I believe this fact proves the opposite.

If Jesus were already God, there would be NO need for GOD to give all authority in heaven and on earth to his SON Jesus. 

If Jesus were God, it would mean Jesus already had ALL authority in heaven and on earth. 

This alone, yet again proves Jesus was NOT GOD.
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WHAT MADE THE JEWS SO ANGRY, FOR WANTING TO STONE JESUS, TWO TIMES?

I find it interesting to know, there are ‘two times’ in the gospel of John, where Jesus sounds like He is making a claim to be GOD.

John 8:58, Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 10: 30, I and my Father are one.

I find it interesting to know after ‘both statements and occasions' the Jews wanted to stone Jesus.

John 8:59, Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

So can we establish by what Jesus said in both statements, the Jews became angry because they believed Jesus was claiming to be God?

I believe the answer we are looking for is in John 10:33.
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

 It seems to me the Jews believed what Jesus said, was blasphemy.

And the definition for blasphemy is slander.

And is seems to me the Jews believed Jesus was making a false statement because at the end of John 10:33, the Jews said: makest thyself God.

But did Jesus really claim to be God?
Or did the Jews misunderstand Him?

It seems clear to me the Jews did misunderstand Jesus.

1. John 8:58, Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Just before this statement by Jesus, He made an explosive statement, which blows the SOUL SLEEP DOCTRINE to OBLIVION.

Jesus said: Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall NEVER see DEATH. John 8:51.

This explosive statement by Jesus meant the born again believer will never see spiritual or eternal death.

The Jews then said:  Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Here we see how the Jews had no understanding, that Abraham and the prophets were physically dead, but spiritually alive in an actual place called Bosom of Abraham, or paradise, waiting for Jesus to shortly release them.

Abraham and the prophets were in a place of comfort in sheol (Greek: Hades, for the righteous dead.
However the Old Testament saints were taken up with Jesus when he was resurrected them. MATTHEW 27:52.

The phrase "Bosom of Abraham" is found in Luke 16:22-23 in Jesus' parable of the Lazarus and the Rich Man.

We also see when Jesus said I am, He did not mean He always existed, but that He existed before Abraham, and the prophets, as this was what the conversation was about.

Again we clearly see how the Jews did not understand.
If they had only believed, they would have understood.

And then later on, yet again when Jesus said: I and my Father are one. They believed He was claiming to be as GOD.

The Jews again did not understand Jesus, and believed He was claiming to be God, instead of understanding Jesus meant He was the exact resemblance, likeness, identity, uniformity, relationship, with His Father.


And Jesus finely corrected the Jews in JOHN 34 -36. And with four additional crystal clear words at the end saying  (I AM GOD’S SON) John 36.
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DID JESUS ‘CORRECT’ THE JEWS WHEN THAY CLAIMED JESUS WAS CLAIMING TO BE GOD?

I have been debating many Trinitarians on my, Is Jesus God? Video.
They seem to forget, I was a Trinitarian.

Here is my research and comment I returned.

Andrew said - If they really misunderstood his message, he could have corrected them.

Tim said - He NEVER...I repeat..NEVER corrected them...or ANYONE...who treated him as God.

They both have good and valid points. So it is important to reaserch this fact. 

And this fact is clearly still misunderstood by millions of Christians today.

Both Andrew and Tim clearly believe Jesus never ‘corrected the Jews’ when and after the Jews said - “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” John 10:33.

Let us NOT believe what we want to believe, but open our hearts and minds, and believe and understand and read what Jesus said from His own lips. Agreed?

Now, let us continue with what Jesus said, directly after John 10:33. There we will see and understand if Jesus ‘corrected’ the Jews who said He claimed to be the God, which will also answer the question, (WHY DID JESUS NOT CORRECT THE JEWS IF HE WAS NOT CLAIMING TO BE GOD?)

JOHN 34 -36.
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came and Scripture cannot be set aside 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 

Now, we clearly see above, Jesus did in fact ‘CORRECT’ the Jews. 
Are you saying where?

Here is where Jesus CORRECTED the Jews.
“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”  
35 If he called them ‘gods,’  John.

Jesus was referring to (Psalm 82:6) which says -
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. King James Bible.

Jesus was referring to (gods) as in the sense of Magistrates and Prophets and judges, appointed by the word of GOD.
Jesus WAS referring to (HIS DEITY)

Jesus was NOT claiming to be as GOD THE FATHER, (UNCREATED) But as (a god) like Magistrates and Prophets and judges, appointed by GOD.

But the Jews did not understand this, and also some were NOT interested in the truth.

Below Jesus confirmed, there were Jews who were not interested in the truth.
1“ Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.
 John 10:1 - 6.
This is why 25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” John 10:25 – 30.

If we look at the last statement by Jesus, in John 36, there we see, Jesus confirms His DEITY, yet again, by saying, Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, I AM GOD’s SON.
And in the last 5 words, there is Jesus name again - (i am) GOD’S SON.

Jesus never, ever claimed to be the same person as GOD his Father (UNCREATED)
BUT always the SON of GOD His Father (BORN) BEGOTTEN from His Father.
Jesus always claimed to be in ‘complete agreement’ and in complete ‘harmony’ with His Father, which is why He said,

I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.

I believe the amazing conversation between Jesus and the Jews, in JOHN 34 -36, proves the translation of (and the word was Godis wrong, but is (and the word was a god).
I believe this simple mistranslation has helped to course a massive confusion, with people believing St John was saying Jesus is the God.

And I hope you can now see Jesus DID in fact CORRECT the Jews regarding His DEITY.
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The Trinitarians make Jesus SON into God.
While certain UNITARIANS make Jesus SON into nothing more then a MERE man.
And also teach the UNBIBLICAL facts and doctrine of soul sleep.
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Was one of history’s greatest scientists, Sir Isaac Newton correct in saying; Trinitarians were mistaken and misguided in its true interpretation of Christianity?
READ: Sir Isaac Newton And Albert Einstein Faith in God.
READ: Sir Isaac Newton And Albert Einstein Faith in God.

Did you know one of the history's greatest scientists Sir Isaac Newton (described in his own day as a "natural philosopher") who is widely recognised as one of the most influential scientists of all time and as a key figure in the scientific revolution, was a Arian who believed God the Father and the Son of God did not always exist together eternally, and Jesus was the first ever created by God.
He sited Proverbs 8:23 and John 14:28 confirming his faith of Jesus being the firstborn, and Jesus Father was greater then He.

He has many sayings like:
The word God is nowhere in the scriptures used to signify more than one of the three persons at once.

I just read Sir Isaac Newton believed the Roman Catholic Church was misguided in its interpretation of Christianity, and had returned to idolatry. Reff Newton’s Arian beliefs 
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Extras/Newton_Arian.html

Newton felt that belief in the holy trinity was a flagrant violation of the First of the Ten Commandments.

Dr. Thomas G. Barnes, in his book "Science and Biblical Faith," 1993, (distributed by CRS Books) has two chapters on Newton. He says, on p. 44, "Newton was perhaps the greatest biblical scholar of his age."

Barnes explains,

In 1669 Newton became Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Trinity College, Cambridge, one of the most honored professorships in the scientific world. In 1673 he was told that he must take Holy Orders (be an ordained minister of the Church of England) to remain at Trinity. That was in Trinity College's charter granted by the King of England. Newton would not take those Holy Orders. ... Some of the church's thirty-nine articles of faith were not in accord with his interpretation of the New Testament. He was so important to Trinity that an appeal was finally granted by the King to delete that requirement for Newton.
 As I understand it, Newton's position on the doctrine of the "trinity" was, that he would not endorse what he could not understand. (Douglas Cox) http://www.ldolphin.org/newton.html
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Who and more on the Arians.
I read this on the Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Arianism is a nontrinitarian belief that asserts that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, created by God the Father, distinct from the Father and therefore subordinate to the Father. Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt. The teachings are opposed to mainstream Christian teachings on the nature of the Trinity and on the nature of Christ. The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist, but was created by God the Father. This belief is based on an interpretation of a verse in the Gospel of John (14:28): "You heard me say, 'I am going away, and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

Trinitarianism was formally affirmed by the first two Ecumenical Councils. All mainstream branches of Christianity consider Arianism to be heterodox and heretical. The Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325 deemed it to be a heresy. At the regional First Synod of Tyre in 335, Arius was exonerated. After his death, he was again anathemised and pronounced a heretic again at the Ecumenical First Council of Constantinople of 381.[3] The Roman Emperors Constantius II (337–361) and Valens (364–378) were Arians or Semi-Arians.

Arianism is also often used to refer to other nontrinitarian theological systems of the 4th century, which regarded Jesus Christ—the Son of God, the Logos—as either a created being (as in Arianism proper and Anomoeanism) or as neither uncreated nor created in the sense other beings are created (as in Semi-Arianism). FULL ARTICLE HERE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
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DID GOD SEND HIMSELF?

I now believe it is easy to understand, who God sent to die and save HUMANS. GOD sent His SON. GOD did not send Himself, but His ONE and only SON.

If GOD sent Himself, then GOD was lying, because GOD made it very clear, He sent His SON Jesus, NOT Himself. If Jesus IS GOD, then He was also lying because He told us 100s of times, He is GODS SON, and NOT GOD.

IF GOD split Himself into 3 GODS, then GOD would NOT need to send His SON Jesus, but just come as GOD, which GOD cannot do because GOD is SPIRIT. Which is why GOD sent His ONE and ONLY BEGOTTEN SON to prove how much GOD loves humans, that He literally SACRIFICED His ONLY SON, who cannot be GOD, otherwise JESUS could NOT be GODS SON, if Jesus was GOD.

FACT.
GOD and Jesus cannot lie.
GOD and Jesus said there is only ONE GOD, and NOT 2 or 3 GODS, and ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN SON.

I now ask the Trinitarians.
PLEASE show me ONE verse in the whole Bible saying you must believe Jesus is GOD to be SAVED?
PLEASE show me ONE verse in the whole of the Bible saying you must believe in the TRINITY to be SAVED.

I will now show you ONE verse out of many showing you what YOU must BELIEVE to be SAVED.

And this is LIFE ETERNAL, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.


If you cannot find ONE SINGLE verse in the WHOLE of the Bible, saying you must believe in the TRINITY, or Jesus is GOD, then it is time to repent and believe what Jesus taught: this is LIFE ETERNAL, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. AND BE SAVED. Amen.
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Who was Philo. And what did he believe regarding Jesus divinity?
Who was Philo. And what did he believe regarding Jesus divinity?

André Thevet (1502-1509): Les vrais pourtraits et vies des hommes illustres grecz, latins et payens (1584) http://www.archive.org/details/lesvraispourtrai01thev


Research by Simon Brown.

Philo of Alexandria (/ˈfaɪloʊ/; Greek: Φίλων, Philōn; Hebrew: ידידיה הכהן‎, Yedidia (Jedediah) HaCohen; c. 25 BCE – c. 50 CE), also called Philo Judaeus, was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who lived in Alexandria, in the Roman province of Egypt.
Philo used philosophical allegory to attempt to fuse and harmonize Greek philosophy with Jewish philosophy. His method followed the practices of both Jewish exegesis and Stoic philosophy. His allegorical exegesis was important for several Christian Church Fathers. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On my search for the truth of Jesus divinity, I was shocked to read what a NONE Christian believed. Please read below, so you can see I am not making this up, and make up your own mind.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Philo thought that God created and governed the world through mediators. Logos is the chief among them, the next to God, demiurge of the world. Logos is immaterial, an adequate image of God, his shadow, his firstborn son.[17] Being the mind of the Eternal, Logos is imperishable.[18] He is neither uncreated as God is, nor created as men are, but occupies a middle position. He has no autarkic power, only an entrusted one.[19] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo#cite_note-17

17 On the Confusion of Tongues, XIV, 61-62
18 On the Confusion of Tongues, XI, 41
19 On Flight and Finding, XX, 111

Please correct me? Simon Brown my name is. Am I reading this correct?
Philo of Alexandria wrote and lived just after Jesus left this planet, that GOD worked through a person that Philo called the Logos. Who was the next highest to GOD.
And Philo believed the LOGOS was the image of GOD.
GODS shadow.
And GOD’s FIRSTBORN SON.
And Logos/Jesus is neither uncreated as GOD.

Wow.

A Trinitarian friend told me: Philo was a Jewish philosopher, not a church father. He was not even Christian.

My answer is: for a none Christian, how did Philo know what most Christians don’t know?
And why did Dr. Michel Brown a Trinitarian use Philo in the very beginning of his video to support the trinity, If Philo was not important?


Trinity Debate: Is Jesus God or the Son of God? 2 https://youtu.be/M38rQXLq29g


How and why did a nonbeliever as Philo know and believe Jesus was the first BORN. 
And He was neither uncreated as GOD.
I wonder if this was because, this was the true information circulating at his time, as he was living in the time of Jesus, and the different and wrong views and beliefs of the trinity were not established at the time.

I don’t know, this is just my own thought.
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WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT?
The answer is in Romans 8:9. King James Bible
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 

Acts 16:7.
New International Version
When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.

 Acts 16:7  NASB Lexicon NASB ©       Greek  Transliteration          Strong's          Definition       Origin and after they came  ἐλθόντες            elthontes        2064   to come, go     a prim. verb to Mysia,           Μυσίαν           musian           3465   Mysia, a province of Asia Minor       of uncertain origin they were trying   ἐπείραζον       epeirazon       3985   to make proof of, to attempt, test, tempt    from peira to go        πορευθῆναι            poreuthēnai   4198   to go    from poros (a ford, passage) into Bithynia,           Βιθυνίαν         bithunian       978     Bithynia, a province in Asia Minor      of uncertain origin and the Spirit   πνεῦμα           pneuma          4151   wind, spirit     from pneó of Jesus    Ἰησοῦ iēsou   2424   Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.            of Hebrew origin Yehoshua did not permit εἴασεν eiasen 1439   to let alone, leave   a prim. verb, see also ea them;                                                       
As we read, I believe it is Jesus own Holy Spirit that lives in born again believers, and teaches us.
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The Trinitarians FALSE claim of John 8:24.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 
John 8:24 King James Bible

Many Trinitarians will say, unless we believe Jesus is GOD, or the trinity, we are not and will not be saved. 

Follow me and I will show you how it is the opposite way around, and how the enemy has fooled millions and twisting a simple teaching of Jesus into a great deception.

Trinitarians use the verse John 8:24 to make their claim, and say there is no (he) in John 8:24 and therefor proves Jesus was saying, we must believe Jesus is the I AM, meaning the same person who spoke to Moses at Mount Sinai when GOD said I AM WHO I AM.

And they will tell us the (I AM) means Jesus is GOD.

Lets get this fact out the way first.
The (I AM) does not mean Jesus is GOD.

The translation I first used made the 'I AM' into capitals, when they are NOT.
The LEXICON clearly shows lower-case, I am. εἰμί eimi 1510 I.
And simply means (exist) I am.
Remember, this is what the conversation was about. The Jews were telling Jesus: Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? John 8:57.
Jesus replied by confirming before Abraham was born, He already existed. As usual they did not believe Him and therefore could not understand Him, and believed He was claiming to be God.

From my research, Jesus used the first part of His Fathers name,
(I am who I am) Exodus 3:14.
Because in fact this was Jesus actual name, which is why Jesus referred to it so many, many times throughout the gospel of John.

I believe this could be why the Jews believed Jesus was claiming to be God or a god, when He was simply was misunderstood.
These certain rebels did not believe much of Jesus teachings, and therefore could not often understand Jesus.
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59.

Back to the (he) in John 8:24.

They will keep saying there is NO (he) in the GREEK version of John 8:24.

I fell for this one myself, and then discovered the (he) is actually there.
I looked at every translation and I could not find it missing from the NASB Lexicon, GREEK or the interlinear.

However the (he) is missing from the 
International Standard Version. 
Jubilee Bible 2000.
And shockingly the Aramaic Bible in Plain English, adds something completely wrong by saying-  I AM THE LIVING GOD,


But what does this prove? 
Even if the (he) is not there, which I could not find missing, this does not prove Jesus was claiming to be the GOD.
But only that He existed before Abraham. And when Jesus said: I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24.
Is clear, John 8:24, was simply one of countless statements by Jesus, saying: I Am who I claim to be, the SON of GOD.


Here is a clear fact, regarding John 8:24.
If Jesus said in John 8:24, we must believe He is GOD, as the Trinitarians claim, by pointing out the HE is missing from the original Greek, then Jesus was clearly contradicting His own teachings.
Because Jesus taught countless times saying what we must believe to be saved, when He said: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, THE SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John 20:31.

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true god, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.

If Jesus taught we must believe He is GOD to be saved, He would be clearly contradicting Himself, because there are countless verses upon verses that say we must believe Jesus is the SON only to be saved.
As we see two above.

I believe Jesus was simply saying and meaning in John 8:24, YOU must believe I Am who I claim to be, GOD’s SON. The MESSIAH, and The SAVIOUR.

And we then see NO contradictions with Jesus teachings.

And there is NOT ONE scripture saying we must believe in the trinity or Jesus is GOD to be saved.

Jesus never, ever said, I am GOD the Father.
Jesus never ever said, I AM GOD
Jesus never, ever said, the Father is Jesus himself.
Jesus never, ever taught the TRINITY.
Jesus never, ever taught the Trinitarian concept, which become a “tritheism” (three Gods) nor even two. 

So as we see, people who believe in the trinity believe the opposite to what Jesus actually taught.

Parallel Verses
New International Version
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."

New Living Translation
That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins."

English Standard Version
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

Berean Study Bible
That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

New American Standard Bible 
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

King James Bible
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."" 

International Standard Version
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."

NET Bible
Thus I told you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." 

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for unless you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD, you shall die in your sins.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
For this reason I told you that you'll die because of your sins. If you don't believe that I am the one, you'll die because of your sins."

New American Standard 1977 
“I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”

Jubilee Bible 2000
Therefore I said unto you that ye shall die in your sins, for if ye do not believe that I AM, ye shall die in your sins.

King James 2000 Bible
I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.

American King James Version
I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.

American Standard Version
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin. 

Darby Bible Translation
I said therefore to you, that ye shall die in your sins; for unless ye shall believe that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

English Revised Version
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Webster's Bible Translation
I said therefore to you, that ye will die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye will die in your sins.

Weymouth New Testament
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins; for, unless you believe that I am He, that is what will happen."

World English Bible
I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins."

Young's Literal Translation

I said, therefore, to you, that ye shall die in your sins, for if ye may not believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.’

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HOW TO RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE.

Eternal life does NOT come by believing Jesus is GOD and Jesus is the Father. This is a GREAT deception by Satan.

Jesus said COUNTLESS times, I AM GODS SON. And His Father is ONE GOD, NOT 2 or 3.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29.

Jesus said YOU must believe, He is GODS SON, and His Father is the only GOD, to be saved.

King James Bible
For many shall come in my name, saying, I AM CHRIST; and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:5.

King James Bible
For many shall come in my name, saying, I AM CHRIST; and shall deceive many. Mark 13:6.

King James Bible
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I AM HE, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. John 8:28

King James Bible
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I AM CHRIST; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. Luke 21:8.

There are countless verses like above that simply demonstrate Jesus IS the SON, MESSIAH, and SAVIOUR.
Which all confirm with Jesus teaching in John 8:24, when He said: (i am He) meaning He is the SON, MESSIAH, and SAVIOUR.

There yet again, is NOTHING about believing in the man made TRINITY and Jesus is GOD.
Jesus teachers that He is and always was GODS SON, and never said He was GOD and the Father.


“I am” is the Greek idiom for “I am he,”  I am the one.
Did the blind man in 9:9 say “I am God”!!!!
“its me” is the meaning as everyone should know.

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Satan, which deceiveth the WHOLE WORLD.

Satan comes only to steal, kill and destroy, he has planted many deadly traps and deceptions in the Christian world, to stop Christians receiving eternal life.

This is why Jesus said the road to heaven is narrow.
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Luke 13:24.

Did you notice that shocking statement by Jesus? Many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Jesus is talking about millions of Christians who believe they are saved, and will find they are not, because Satan has deceived them from the truth.

Never, ever depart from what Jesus said and taught.
Jesus never, ever said we MUST believe in a trinity or believe He is GOD to be saved.

Jesus said the opposite. 
Jesus said we must believe His Father is ONE God, NOT 2 or 3, or 3 are 1.

Jesus said 100s of times,
He is the SON of GOD ONLY, and His Father is GOD ONLY, which we must BELIVE ONLY, to have life eternal.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29.


And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.
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Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the
SON of God?
1 John 5:5. King James Bible
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Does Hebrews 1:9 prove Jesus is GOD.

GOD,θεὸςtheos2316God, a godof uncertain origin
YOUR GOD,θεόςtheos2316God, a godof uncertain origin
HAS ANOINTEDἔχρισενechrisen5548to anointa prim. word
YOU WITH THE OILἔλαιονelaion1637olive oilfrom elaia
OF GLADNESS

Hebrews 1:9, reveals some interesting facts.

This verse is clearly about GOD the Father talking about Jesus His SON. Jesus loved RIGHTEOUSNESS, and hated LAWLESSNESS.

If Jesus were already ‘GOD’ and the same person as the father who loves RIGHTEOUSNESS, and hates LAWLESSNESS, then why would Jesus be any different to His Father GOD in the first place? 

And why would GOD the father ANOINT Jesus with; THE OIL OF GLADNESS, if Jesus was GOD, who was already RIGHTEOUS and the same person as GOD?

Firstly we can see a definite separation: GOD YOUR GOD. We can see two different, distinct persons. GOD the Father is talking about His SON Jesus.

If Jesus is the same ‘GOD’ as many Trinitarians believe, then Jesus was praising Himself, talking about Himself, to Himself, and contradicting Himself when He said there is ONLY ONE GOD.

Because if Jesus was also the same as THE ONLY TRUE GOD, then this makes TWO GODS, when Jesus said: that they might know thee (THE ONLY TRUE GOD), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.

We clearly read above how Jesus says there is (THE ONLY TRUE GOD) and then separates His own name at the end by adding: and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.

But the question remains, why does the verse say: GOD YOUR GOD? Does this prove Jesus is the GOD, and the same GOD as the father, and therefor proves the trinity?

I believe the answer is given by Jesus Himself in JOHN 34 -36.
“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” 
If he called them ‘gods,’  John. 34 - 35.

Jesus was referring to (Psalm 82:6) which says -
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. King James Bible.

Jesus was referring to (gods) as in the sense of Magistrates and Prophets and judges, appointed by the word of GOD.
I believe Jesus WAS referring to (HIS DEITY)

Jesus was NOT claiming to be as GOD THE FATHER, (UNCREATED) But as (a god) like Magistrates and Prophets and judges, appointed by GOD.

Could this be why GOD called His SON god?

Jesus is NOT the GOD, but truly a separate and divine person, BORN, BEGOTTEN, from the Father GOD, and is the absolute image of His Father GOD, who loves RIGHTEOUSNESS, and hates LAWLESSNESS, because Jesus was conceived, ‘BORN’ literally from His GOD, making Him truly the SON of GOD.

Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son? John 10:36.

It is also interesting to look at the translation in the LEXICON, which adds in (God, a god).
GOD,θεὸςtheos2316God, a godof uncertain origin

Hebrews 1:9, confirms and proves the trinity cannot be correct.

Hebrews 1:9, disproves the trinity.


King James Bible
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

If Jesus is the same GOD as the father, then how can GOD the father be His GOD, and how can Jesus be the SON of GOD if they are the same person and ONE GOD as the trinity teaches?

It is obvious, if GOD the Father, and Jesus the SON, were the same GOD, they would simply say: WE GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE SON ARE ONE GOD, AND THE SAME GOD.

Notice how Jesus said: I and my Father are one.
John 10:30.

Just as when a man and a woman join in marriage and marry, they become ONE, and are NEVER the same person, and are always 2 separate people.

Notice how Jesus did NOT say: I and my father are ONE GOD, if the trinity were correct and if they were the same GOD and ONE GOD.

Notice Jesus never, ever said anywhere: I and my father are ONE GOD.

Can any one find ONE scripture saying GOD the Father and God the SON is ONE GOD?

Can anyone find ONE scripture in the ‘whole Bible’ saying we must believe in the trinity, or Jesus is GOD to be saved?

The answer is simply NO, because the trinity is false, which is why there are NO scriptures to support it, or prove it, and this is why Trinitarians admit they cannot understand it.
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IS GOD ONE PERSON OR THREE?

Let us have a look?

King James Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5.

Notice how 1 Timothy 2:5, clearly separates the ONE GOD, with the ONE person who is the man Christ Jesus.

King James Bible
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Galatians 3:20.

Notice how Galatians 3:20, again makes it very clear, GOD IS ONE PERSON and NOT 2 or 3.

King James Bible
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1 Corinthians 8:4

Notice how 1 Corinthians 8:4, says: there is NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE.

If Jesus was also the same person as GOD, and is GOD, that would make TWO GODS, side by side.
And as Jesus WAS ‘side by side’ with GOD, before all creation, being the word.
(In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God. John 1:1.)
Then Jesus cannot also be GOD. But truly the SON only.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the (BOSOM) of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:18.

Notice how John 1:18, says: Jesus the only begotten Son, is in the (BOSOM) of the Father.

Trinitarians believe John 1:18, proves that Jesus and GOD are the same person, which is impossible, because there would be two GODS side by side.

So what does John 1:18 mean? (In the BOSOM of the Father).

The answer is in LUKE 16:22.

LUKE 16:22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried.

In other words, the angels carried Lazarus to Abraham’s side.
So Lazarus was at Abraham side. As Jesus was at God the Fathers side.

This proves two incredible, explosive, evidences, revealing the true facts of Jesus the word.

Jesus was BESIDE His Father God at the creation, when He was the word.
Proving He could not be God Himself, as this would contradict His own teachings when Jesus always said, there is ONLY ONE GOD. 
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I have been told, 1 John 5:20 proves Jesus is the true GOD.

1 John 5:20 "We are in him that is true, even in his Son, Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." KJV.

Yet I have read, Trinitarian NT scholar Murray J. Harris sums up his 13-page analysis of this scripture, and says, the true one God,’ is God the Father, and NOT Jesus.

This must be the fact as there is only ONE TRUE GOD, as Jesus told us.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.
And Jesus does not contradict His teachings.

Anthony Buzzard states:
Subject: Re: 1 John 5:20?

This verse says 1 John 5:20, that the Father is the true God!  We are in Christ by being in his Father who is the true God.
John does not always have the immediate “antecedent” as we might want it.
Look in I John 2:22. Jesus is not the antichrist!
Many top scholars who are Trinitarians fully agree that I John 5:20 is exactly John 17:3

To say otherwise is of course to accuse John of confusion!
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Does Philippians 2:6-11, prove Jesus is the GOD.

Trinitarians often send me Philippians 2:6-11, and say this verse proves Jesus is the GOD.

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

This is simple to understand.

Jesus is the exact image, and is identical to His GOD and He was literally BORN and BEGOTTEN from the only TRUE and ONE GOD. BEING BEGOTTEN AND BROUGHT FORTH BEFORE ANY CREATURE WAS IN BEING, PROVERBS 8:22,

Philippians 2:6-11, is nothing to do with proving Jesus is the same person as the ONLY true GOD.

Also read: being in the form of God.” Paul is reminding the Philippians that Jesus represented the Father in every possible way. http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/philippians-2-6-8

Does 1 Timothy 3:16, prove Jesus is the GOD?

King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Trinitarians only seem to use the Trinitarian King James Bible, and never look at the real translation, and don't know is a wrong translation.

When we do what we should do, seek, research, and study, we discover the truth.
We discover the word (GOD) is not there, but instead the word (HE) is there, which simply means Jesus, and not the ONLY true GOD.

A CATHOLIC, who supports the trinity, edited the KJB.
And the part that says - God was manifest in the flesh, does NOT say GOD, but says HE, simply meaning JESUS.

We should always read better Bible translations, and compare them to discover the truth.

As we can see below, all these translation do not have the word (GOD) but instead the word (HE) meaning Jesus.

 1 Timothy 3:16 
Parallel Verses
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh, was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

New American Standard Bible 
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh and was justified in The Spirit; He appeared to Angels and was preached among the Gentiles; He was trusted in the world and he ascended into glory. 

New American Standard 1977 
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: 
            He who was revealed in the flesh, 
            Was vindicated in the Spirit, 
            Beheld by angels, 
            Proclaimed among the nations, 
            Believed on in the world, 
            Taken up in glory.

King James 2000 Bible
And without doubt great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

American King James Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory. 

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Weymouth New Testament

And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.
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Does Jude 1:25 prove Jesus is the GOD, and same person as the GOD?

King James Bible
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Yet again, people are using the Trinitarian KJB.

They need to read better translations that are NOT biased.

This is very simple to understand.

Jude 1:25, means - To the ONLY true GOD the father who is our Saviour, who sent and gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON Jesus to save us.

Here is a good translation.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Before his glory in joy ( He alone is God our Savior by Yeshua The Messiah our Lord ); to him is the praise, dominion, honor and majesty, even now and unto all ages. Amen.

Jude 1:25, has NOTHING to do with proving Jesus is the same person as His Father GOD. Because Jesus made it clear, there is ONLY ONE true GOD.
Jesus made it very clear in one statement that there is only ‘ONE' true God, when He said: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.

Jesus does not contradict his own teachings, which the many verses that the Trinitarians use to prove Jesus is the GOD, and same person, as the Father.

 Jude 1:25 
Parallel Verses

New Living Translation
All glory to him who alone is God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord. All glory, majesty, power, and authority are his before all time, and in the present, and beyond all time! Amen.

English Standard Version
to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Berean Study Bible
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen.

Berean Literal Bible
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and to all the ages. Amen.

New American Standard Bible 
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority before all time, now and forever. Amen.

International Standard Version
to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority before all time and for all eternity! Amen.

NET Bible
to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen. 

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Before time began, now, and for eternity glory, majesty, power, and authority belong to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

New American Standard 1977 
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Jubilee Bible 2000
to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, now and in all the ages. Amen.

King James 2000 Bible
To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen.

American King James Version
To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

American Standard Version
to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
To the only God our Saviour through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory and magnificence, empire and power, before all ages, and now, and for all ages of ages. Amen.

Darby Bible Translation
to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, [be] glory, majesty, might, and authority, from before the whole age, and now, and to all the ages. Amen.

English Revised Version
to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.

Webster's Bible Translation
To God the only wise, our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Weymouth New Testament

to the only God our Saviour--through Jesus Christ our Lord, be ascribed glory, majesty, might, and authority, as it was before all time, is now, and shall be to all the Ages! Amen.
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Why did Thomas say: My Lord and my God, in John 20:28?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. KJB.

As for John 20:28, I believe certain Trinitarians, do not seem to understand certain verses, and take them out of context.


As Jesus and the disciples was monotheist, they did NOT believe a “tritheism” (three Gods) not even two. But that there is only ONE true GOD, and therefor Thomas must have been addressing Jesus and God the Father, together.

It is interesting how St Thomas did not say: (My Lord God) in one complete sentence, which would most certainly prove Thomas was calling Jesus God, which would instantly clear up this debate.

However this is not the case, and St Thomas adds in the word (and) as if he was addressing two persons, the SON and the Father.

Did St Thomas mean: My Lord Jesus and my God the Father?
You decide.

NASB Lexicon
NASB ©GreekTransliterationStrong'sDefinitionOrigin
ThomasΘωμᾶςthōmas2381"the twin," Thomas, one of the twelve apostlesof Hebrew origin toam
answeredἀπεκρίθηapekrithē611to answerfrom apo and krinó
and said3004to saya prim. verb
to Him, "My Lordκύριοςkurios2962lord, masterfrom kuros (authority)
and my God!"θεόςtheos2316God, a godof uncertain origin
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Please come back as I am adding more of my research weekly.
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Why is Jesus called Mighty God, Everlasting Father, in Isaiah 9:6?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. English Standard Version

Trinitarians will use this verse to prove Jesus is the same person as the Father GOD.

However there is a great problem by believing Jesus is the Mighty God, and Everlasting Father.

This goes against Trinitarians own faith.
As certain Trinitarians think and believe Jesus Christ is the Father, but the trinity doctrine teaches Jesus is NOT the Father.
Yet Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is the Father. Or does it?

How can Trinitarians believe Jesus is the Mighty God, and Everlasting Father, when their own trinity doctrine says God and Jesus are two different persons?
Now certain Trinitarians are contradicting their own faith, and use this verse to prove themselves wrong.

Then what does Mighty God, and Everlasting Father mean in Isaiah 9:6?

Here is a good explanation by the Author of http://www.heavennet.net/
I believe that Ab is the word used here, the same word used in reference to Abraham or father Abraham. The Pharisees claimed their father was Abraham, so everlasting father would be an apt title to describe Yeshua who is not only greater than Abraham but everlastingly greater.


Clearly, Jesus is not the Heavenly Father; he is the son of the Heavenly Father.
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 I do not understand why the Trinitarians can’t be honest, and admit the trinity they follow makes ONE true GOD into 3 GODS side by side. And yet they cannot work out this simple fact, and remain talking nonsense, and believing in what they call a mystery, which they can’t understand.
Please pray daily for the Trinitarians.
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Best comment, by Aquarian Christianity.

+Simon Brown Yes! Trinitarians and Unitarians are both wrong. Clearly, as you said. I quoted some scriptures above. "I and the Father are one." Why call him "a man" since that is not his great essence? How do you call the Son of God a man? As if he were only that. Jesus was worshiped. Thomas called him, "My master and my God!" Jesus had no problem with worship and being called God.
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Many Trinitarians tell me Matthew 28:19, proves the trinity.

English Standard Version

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

There are Bible scholars who believe Matthew 28:19, is another forgery, and the original words by Jesus which only say:  “Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name.” (Jesus), have been changed by adding in, The Father and The Holy Spirit.

How can we be sure the Bible scholars who believe Matthew 28:19, is another forgery? I believe the answer is in Acts 17:11.

And we are to follow the way of the Berean Jews.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

When we follow the example by the Berean Jews, and search the scriptures daily, as Jesus confirmed, when we seek we find. Matthew 7:7.

What do we find, when we search the scriptures?

If the verse of Matthew 28:19, which is in the Bibles we hold in our hands today, is correct, then surly the disciples and Christians would follow and obey Jesus commands by: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

So did the disciples and the first Christians obey and follow Jesus commands?

What we find is the fact that there is not ONE single reference to the apostles baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

But instead, we read every scripture in the New Testament reveals people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus only.

Let us have a look?

English Standard Versions.

for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 8:16

On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 19:5.

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38.

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. Acts 10:48

As we clearly read, the baptising was only done in the name of Jesus, and there are no mention of what is said in Matthew 28:19, which refers and would confirm with the apostles: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Yet again we have some fishy business going on here, to why and who changed the scripture by adding in: the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

We have to ask ourselves, why wouldn’t’ the apostles obey Jesus commands which He left theme by: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, If this was the genuine scripture?

Why would the apostles leave out the important titles of the Father and the Holy Spirit, if Jesus taught this?

Could Matthew 28:19, truly be a forgery?

Did Jesus teach to only baptize in his name, which is what the early Church have only proved to do. 

Does this prove Matthew 28:19, is a forgery, and may have been developed by Trinitarians?

 You decide.

To help you decide I have added below a none biased article by the wiki site.


Jesus' Name doctrine

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jesus' Name Doctrine has been associated with nontrinitarian theology, characterised by a belief that baptism must be performed only "in the name of Jesus Christ", rather than the more common Trinitarian formula "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". However, some argue that one can remain trinitarian and still hold fast to Jesus' name baptism.[1]
The Jesus' Name doctrine can include the "Oneness" of God. Most who ascribe to this doctrine reject the mainstream Trinitarian belief of Three Persons in One God, and holds that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three modes of a singular God. Those in Oneness churches believe that "Jesus" is the correct and entire name of God.
Most adherents of the doctrine are often referred to as Jesus-Only, but Oneness Pentecostals prefer the phrase Jesus' Name. Pentecostal historian Bernie L. Wade generally considers the reference "Jesus-Only" as a slur.[2]

Baptism[edit]

Holders of the Jesus' Name doctrine assert that "in the name of Jesus Christ" is the proper formula for baptism, and most (not all) feel that baptism "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" is invalid because Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not names but titles.;[3] the latter form of baptism being performed by most Christians.
Many Jesus' Name believers claim the development of baptism "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" is a post-Apostolic interpolation and corruption. Some claim that the "Trinitarian" clause in Matthew 28:19 was added to Matthew's text in the 2nd/3rd century.[4] They cite as evidence that no record exists in the New Testament of someone being baptized with the Trinitarian formula. Other adherents of the Jesus Name doctrine believe the authenticity of Matthew 28:19, but believe that the command is correctly fulfilled by baptizing in the name of Jesus. Such adherents are generally Oneness Pentecostals who believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not to be regarded as distinct persons in the Godhead, and that the name "Jesus" is the supreme revelatory name of the one God who is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.[5]

Views[edit]

The views of mainstream Christianity to Jesus' Name baptism is varied. The Roman Catholic Church states that only Trinitarian baptisms are valid. While it does consider other baptismal formulae to be acceptable, since they were accepted by theologians of the past, the key requirement is that the baptism must have been performed by a church which (or, a person who) believes in the Trinity. St. Thomas, St. Bonaventure, and Albertus Magnus held the view that the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus only by special dispensation. Pope Nicholas I wrote to the Bulgarians that a person is not to be rebaptized who has already been baptized "in the name of the Holy Trinity or in the name of Christ only".[6]
Martin Luther in his Prelude on the Babylonian Captivity of the Church describes disagreements over the wording of the baptism as "pedantry" and argues for acceptance of baptisms in the name of Jesus if carried out with proper intent.[7]
  • In circa 254, Pope Stephen I[8] in the midst of the baptismal controversies with Cyprian declared that all baptisms in the name of Jesus are valid.
  • St. Gennadius in his work Lives of Illustrious Men states that in the 3rd century, one Ursinus the monk, during the Cyprian controversies, argued that "those who were baptized in the name of Christ [alone], even if by heretics, did not need to be re-baptized."
  • St. John Chrysostom argues for a literal interpretation of the Luke's records of baptisms in the name of Jesus, as accounted in Acts.[9]
  • St. Basil states[10] that, "the naming of Christ is the confession of the whole."
  • St. Ambrose, mentor to Augustine, argued for the validity of baptisms "in the name of Jesus."[11]
  • St. Augustine states that "those baptized into other names need to be rebaptized into Christ."[12] Elsewhere, he states knowledge of those who had been baptized into the name of Christ alone [outside the apostolic era].[13] and likewise argues for a literal interpretation of Acts 2:38 "in the name of Jesus".[14]
  • St. Thomas Aquinas[15] (while arguing for Trinitarian baptism), states that the apostles (Peter, James, John, etc.) baptized in the name of Christ alone by "special dispensation." (Whereas many modern scholars, by contrast, interpret the saying "in the name of Jesus Christ" figuratively instead of literally in an attempt to reconcile the two conflicting passages [Acts 2:38 & Matt 28:19]).
  • The Baptist Standard Confession of 1660[16] declares baptisms in the name of Jesus to be valid.

Adherents[edit]

  • Frederick Cornwallis Conybeare, an Anglican, was the first modern theologian to argue that Matthew 28:19 was a spurious interpolation.
  • Edmond de Pressense, an Evangelical church historian, in his work The Early Years of Christianity Book II, Chap 5, Part I, states that all baptisms during the apostolic era were in the name of Jesus [alone].
  • Robert Young, a Presbyterian, was the first Bible author of the modern era to put Matthew 28:19 in italics in his Bible version titled, Young's Literal Translation (YLT), along with a footnote indicating he believed it to be spurious.[citation needed]
  • Mark Kennicott has noted in his translation and commentary of Matthew 28:19 that the phrase "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" is probably not original, citing Eusebius Pamphili. However, he argues against the traditional approach other Oneness Pentecostals use to explain Matthew 28:19 as it reads.
  • All Oneness Pentecostals organizations baptize using the name of Jesus alone.
    • The PAW Board of Bishops are unanimous in agreement on baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. [17]
  • Jehovah's Witnesses baptize using the name of Jesus alone. [18]
  • Christ's Forgiveness Ministries, is one of the few Canadian Born Churches that believe in the Trinity and mentions recognition of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit while baptizing but conclude the baptism rite in the name of The Lord Jesus Christ.

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. Jump up ^ http://christsforgiveness.com/index/?page_id=15>
  2. Jump up ^ Baptism According to Matthew 28:19, From TLFP (Truth, Liberty and Freedom Press), 1986. 2nd Printing, Page 6.
  3. Jump up ^ Patterson, Eric; Rybarczyk, Edmund (2007). The Future of Pentecostalism in the United States. New York: Lexington Books. pp. 123–124. ISBN 978-0-7391-2102-3.
  4. Jump up ^ Matthew 28:19 text, Baptism in the New Testament, G.R. Beasley-Murray, p 83
  5. Jump up ^ [1] Archived February 27, 2009, at the Wayback Machine.
  6. Jump up ^ "Catholic Encyclopedia - see section on "form"". Newadvent.org. Retrieved 2014-05-15.
  7. Jump up ^ see section 3.14 Archived June 18, 2009, at the Wayback Machine.
  8. Jump up ^ Epistle of Cyprian # 72.
  9. Jump up ^ John Chrysostom.Homily on Acts X.44, 46 XXIV. Interestingly, Chrysostom, in Instructions to the Catechumens, makes several references to Acts 2:38, but does not reference Matt 28:19 a single instance. Additionally, in his Homily on Matthew, Ch XXVIII, he repeatedly quotes Matt 28:19 in what F.C. Conybeare called the "shorter Eusebian form", suggesting the potential that Chrysostom and Eusebius of Caesarea referenced a common, earlier source for the Gospel of Matthew.
  10. Jump up ^ Basil. On the Holy Spirit, Ch 12, #28.
  11. Jump up ^ Ambrose.On the Holy Spirit, Book I, Ch 3.
  12. Jump up ^ Augustine.To Petitianus, Ch 44, sect 104.
  13. Jump up ^ Augustine.On Baptism, Against the Donatists, Ch 28.
  14. Jump up ^ Augustine.On Baptism, Against the Donatists, Ch 52.
  15. Jump up ^ Aquinas, Thomas. Summa Theologica, "On Baptism".
  16. Jump up ^ Sam Hughey. "The Baptist Standard Confession of 1660". Reformedreader.org. Retrieved 2014-05-15.
  17. Jump up ^ http://www.pawinc.org/
  18. Jump up ^ http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/jwbaptism.htm
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Does Micah 5:2 prove Jesus has always existed?

Trinitarians tell me this verse proves Jesus always existed.

This is yet again another scripture that has been misunderstood and again taken out of context.

Lets have a look?

2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING. Micah 5:2. KJB.

NASB. Lexicon.
His goings forthוּמֹוצָאֹתָ֥יוu·mo·v·tza·'o·tav4163going forthfem. of motsa
are from long ago,מִקֶּ֖דֶםmik·ke·dem6924afront, east, formerlyfrom an unused word
From the daysמִימֵ֥יmi·mei3117daya prim. root
of eternity."עֹולָֽם׃o·v·lam.5769long duration, antiquity, futurityfrom an unused word

From my own research, Micah 5:2 is exactly the same as the verse PROVERBS 8:23.

Let us examine this.

I always like to look at the translation and not say what I want it to say.
This way we can come closer to the truth.

Englishman's Concordance
mê·‘ō·w·lām — 1 Occurrence
Proverbs 8:23 
HEB: מֵ֭עוֹלָם נִסַּ֥כְתִּי מֵרֹ֗אשׁ
NAS: From everlasting I was established,
KJV: I WAS SET UP FROM EVERLASTING, FROM THE BEGINNING,
INT: EVERLASTING WAS ESTABLISHED THE BEGINNING.

Jesus is saying, He was (established and set up from God the Father who is from everlasting.

Because why would Jesus say (I was brought forth) this would be Jesus contradicting Himself, as He does not do, and there would be no need to say (I was brought forth)
But just simply say, I always was everlasting, as God.

In fact if we go back one verse we can make a new discovery.

Lets have a look at Proverbs 8:22
King James Bible
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

Proverbs 8:22 means what it says, and is the same as Micah 5:2.
Jesus was BORN, before ALL creation, before GODS works of long ago.
BEING BEGOTTEN AND BROUGHT FORTH BEFORE ANY CREATURE WAS IN BEING, PROVERBS 8:22.

Jesus was NOT created, as Adam and Eve, or the angels were created.
As we clearly read in Colossians 1:15. English Standard Version
He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Just in case anyone missed that. First BORN of all creation.
So as we have read, Jesus was BORN, not created. 
Being BORN and being created are not the same.

Jesus IS the SON of God, who IS identical and the image, and is BORN and BEGOTTEN from His Almighty Father GOD.

As Jesus was BORN, as the SON of GOD, than He cannot be the GOD and the same person as the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, His Father.

Because as Jesus was BORN and BEGOTTEN, then Jesus clearly had a beginning and a starting point.

Where in the whole Bible does it teach three separate persons make ONE GOD?
Please don’t tell me the rubbish that Jesus said: I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE, and meant Jesus was saying they are ONE GOD.

If this was the case, then when a man and a woman join in marriage and marry, and become ONE, would they also become ONE GOD? And the same person?
And never be 2 separate persons and not be possible to separate?
No they are always 2 separate persons, who ‘can separate’ and often do separate, in divorce.

Jesus prayed to His Father GOD, asking that He and His disciples become ONE with GOD.

John 17:11.
Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE.

John 17:20.
I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 THAT THEY MAY ALL BE ONE, JUST AS YOU, FATHER, ARE IN ME, AND I IN YOU, that they also may be in us,

There we see Jesus did not mean His disciples are GOD, because He desires them to become as ONE.

Although Jesus and GOD are ONE, as Jesus prayed His Disciples become ONE with Him and the TRUE ONE GOD, His disciples will still always be individual, separate persons, and NOT another 12 GODS.

Jesus did not mean ‘oneness in number, making ONE GOD,’ but simply meant He and His Father GOD, are, and His Disciples, would become in complete accordance, agreement, harmony, fellowship, cooperation, understanding, consensus, unity, fellowship, which makes oneness.

We do not need to be a scientist to understand the trinity teaches there are THREE GODS.
Which would clearly contradict what GOD and His SON, always taught, that GOD the Father is ONE GOD, and ONE person and NOT three persons, or THREE GODS.

King James Bible
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. Psalm 89:27.

Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible.
Also I will make him my firstborn,.... Or, "make him the firstborn"; make him great, as Jarchi interprets it; give him the blessing, the double portion of inheritance: so Christ is made most blessed for ever, and has all spiritual blessings in his hands; and is heir of all things, and his people joint-heirs with him. Christ is God’s "firstborn", or "first begotten", Hebrews 1:6, being begotten by him, and of him; and his firstbegotten, though none begotten after him; as the first that opened the womb, under the law, was called the firstborn, though none were ever born after; and in such sense his first begotten, as that he is his only begotten: and he is the firstborn, with respect to creatures; "he is the firstborn of every creature"; Colossians 1:15,
BEING BEGOTTEN AND BROUGHT FORTH BEFORE ANY CREATURE WAS IN BEING, PROVERBS 8:22,
 and, with respect to the saints, "he is the firstborn among many brethren", Romans 8:29, they are of the same nature, and in the same family, and in which Christ is a son, and the firstborn; and in all things he has the preeminence; and he is also "the firstborn from the dead", or "the first begotten of the dead", Colossians 1:18 being raised first from thence by his own power, and to an immortal life; and is the first fruits of them that sleep, and the efficient and meritorious cause of the resurrection of life, and the pattern and exemplar of it: even him the Father promises to make "higher than the kings of the earth"; having a kingdom of a superior nature to theirs, and a more extensive and durable one; and even they themselves shall be subject to him; hence he is called "King of kings", Revelation 19:16. This will be when their kingdoms become his; when they shall fall down before him, and worship him, and bring their riches and glory into his kingdom, or the New Jerusalem church state, Psalm 72:10. This passage is interpreted of the Messiah by the Jews (f).
(f) In Shemot Rabba, s. 19. fol. 104. 4.

Morgridge writes:

No passage of Scripture asserts that God is three. If it be asked what I intend to qualify by the numeral three, I answer, anything which the reader pleases. There is no Scripture which asserts that God is three persons, three agents, three beings, three Gods, three spirits, three substances, three modes, three offices, three attributes, three divinities, three infinite minds, three some whats, three opposites, or three in any sense whatever. The truth of this has been admitted by every Trinitarian who ever wrote or preached on the subject.”
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The TRINITY teaches Jesus is GOD, and the Holy Spirit is GOD.
 Making THREE GODS.

But the TRINITY completely and utterly contradicts what the Bible truly teaches, that the only ONE TRUE GOD has said countless times there is only ONE TRUE GOD and NO other GOD BESIDE the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD.

So if the TRINITY is true, then how can Jesus and the Holy Spirit also be GOD, IF GOD Himself and His only ONE true SON Himself said there is ONLY ONE true GOD?

Where in the Bible doe’s the only ONE TRUE GOD and His ONE and only TRUE SON Jesus say there is only ONE TRUE GOD? And not THREE GODS?

Let’s read the facts of the Bible and discover the truth of the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD below?

Translations by New International Version.

Jesus said: And this is LIFE ETERNAL,  that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3.

GOD the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, said in the verses below:

Exodus 9:14
or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that THERE IS NO ONE LIKE ME IN ALL THE EARTH.

Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; BESIDES HIM THERE IS NO OTHER.

Deuteronomy 32:39
"See now that I myself am he! THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.

Psalm 18:31
For who is GOD BESIDES THE LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?

Isaiah 43:10
"You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. BEFORE ME NO GOD WAS FORMED, NOR WILL THERE BE ONE AFTER ME.

Isaiah 44:6
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; APART FROM ME THERE IS NO GOD.

Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. IS THERE ANY GOD BESIDES ME? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

Isaiah 45:6
so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME. I am the LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.

Isaiah 45:14
This is what the LORD says: "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and those tall Sabeans-- they will come over to you and will be yours; they will trudge behind you, coming over to you in chains. They will bow down before you and plead with you, saying, 'Surely God is with you, and THERE IS NO OTHER; THERE IS NO OTHER GOD.'"

Isaiah 45:18
For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is GOD; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says: "I am the LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.

Isaiah 45:21
Declare what is to be, present it-- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is NO GOD APART FROM ME, righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me.

Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is NO OTHER; I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE LIKE ME.

Isaiah 47:8
"Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, 'I AM, AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.'

Joel 2:27
Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am the LORD your GOD, and that there is NO OTHER; never again will my people be shamed.


As we have read above, if there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, and NO OTHER GOD, beside the ONE TRUE GOD, then why do Trinitarians CLEARLY contradict GOD and His SON’s teachings and teach Jesus and the Holy Spirit are also SEPARATE beings and GOD, who are according to their doctrine, BESIDE the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD?
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If you would like to do some more research, I recently discovered this website, which truly blessed me to find the persons research seems to agree with mine. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE.
http://heavennet.net/writings/the-trinity-doctrine/ The amount of research on this site is incredible and well worth reading.

Also read: John 1:18 presents some interesting challenges for the translator and exegete.  The issues surround the phrase rendered in the NIV as "God the One and Only."  Other versions read as follows: READ HERE

Also read: John 1:18 in the Sahidic Coptic Translation “God the only Son” HERE

Is Jesus God? In 10 Minutes. I Simon Brown was wrong.


We only need to read the verse below, to see there is no perfect faith, and all have got something wrong.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 
Revelation 12:9
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This next part was not written by myself, but sent to me, and is very interesting in the support of ONE GOD and not 1 as 3.


Jesus is the Christ and anointed lord (Luke 2:11) and not GOD, which breaks the first commandment.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29.

God is one Person!!!  There are thousands and thousands of singular personal pronouns for God
Do you know what a singuar personal pronoun means?
“God” appears 4, 444 times, and never means a Triune God.  So noone in the Bible meant a triune God when he said GOD!
Please produce a verse where GOD = Two or Three Persons.
The creed of Jesus and the Bible in Mk 12:29 is unitary monotheism
Jesus then quotes the massively important Ps 110:1 to show that the one at the right hand is NOT God!
That would make two GODS one talking to the other!!
No one has seen GOD, as we know although Moses saw him partiallly

But “no one has seen God at any time”   That includes Jesus if you say Jesus is God.
 Trinitarianism 
1) Jesus is “MAN but not A MAN”
2) Church fathers said that they “rejected the “Jewish error” on GOD”!  They meant the Shema!!  So they rejected Jesus.
Trinitarianism says that The Son had a “beginningless beginning”
Erickson, big TRINITARIAN scholar says; “A Trinitarian must say He are three and They is One”
The church fathers said we define God as “one in nature, not in number”
That contradicts the Bible where God is the ONE Father over and over again.
Please define the second lord in Ps 110:1
•         WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS DIDN’T?
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•          “It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity formed no part of the original message. St. Paul did not know it, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed” (Dr. Matthews, D.D. D. Litt. God in Christian Experience, p. 180).
•         The Trinity is a contradiction, indeed, and not merely a verbal contradiction, but an incompatibility in the human ideas conveyed. We can scarcely make a nearer approach to an exact enunciation of it, than of saying that one thing is two things. (Sadler’s Gloria Patri, p. 39, A. H. Newman).
            “The evolution of the Trinity: No responsible NT scholar would claim that the doctrine of the Trinity was taught by Jesus or preached by the earliest Christians or consciously held by any writer of the NT. It was in fact slowly worked out in the course of the first few centuries in an attempt to give an intelligible doctrine of God” (The Image of the Invisible God,  SCM Press, 1982, p. Dr. A. T Hanson, Professor of Theology University of Hull)
            “It might tend to moderation and in the end agreement, if we were industrious on all occasions to represent our own doctrine of the Trinity as wholly unintelligible” (Dr. Hey, Lectures in Divinity, 2, 235
New International Dictionary of NT Theology, ed. Dr. Colin Brown at Fuller Seminary: The Trinity.
            “The NT does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are of an equal essence and therefore in an equal sense God himself. And the other express declaration is also lacking, that God is God thus and only thus, i.e., as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These two express declarations, which go beyond the witness of the Bible, are the twofold content of the church doctrine of the Trinity (Karl Barth, CD 1, 1 437)…. That God and Christ belong together and that they are distinct, are equally stressed, with the precedence in every case due to God, the Father, who stands above Christ… There is no strict dogmatic assertion… All this underlines the point that primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early church.”  (Dr. J. Schneider, Prof. of Theology in Berlin.)
Harper Collins Bible Dictionary, p. 865: 
            “But for Israel there was only one God and sole devotion to this One God was a paramount essential. To serve or follow other gods was a cardinal offense, emphasized particularly in Deuteronomy and Isa. 40-55.”  “The NT follows this tradition by taking for granted the established monotheism of Judaism.” “In the NT the monotheistic convictions [the all-essential Shema, he has just said] of Judaism are taken for granted. (p. 701, “monotheism”). “The first of all commandments according to Jesus is the shema, the affirmation of the Oneness of God” (Mark 12:29) (p. 701) Jewish opponents are not represented as criticizing Christianity for abandoning monotheism. The close association of Jesus with God seems to lead towards the seeing of monotheism in a different way [John 17:3 and Mark 12:28ff. contra!!]. The implications of this are not yet worked out within the NT” (James  Barr, distinguished prof. at VanderBilt) “The NT follows this monotheistic tradition in taking for granted the established monotheism of Judaism. The NT does not depict Jewish opponents as criticizing Christianity for reintroducing polytheism.” (p. 865)
Harper Collins, Thomas Longstaff, Colby College Maine: 
            “The explicit doctrine of the Trinity was thus formulated in the post-biblical period, although the early stages can be seen in the NT. Attempts to trace the Trinity origins still earlier to the OT cannot be supported by historical critical scholarship” and these attempts are readings back. (1179)… The formal doctrine of the Trinity as defined in councils of the 4th and 5th centuries IS NOT TO BE FOUND IN THE NT.” 
            “Because the Trinity is such an important part of LATER Christian doctrine, it is STRIKING that the term does not appear in the NT. Likewise the developed concept of three coequal partners in the Godhead found in LATER creedal formulations cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the canon” (Oxford Companion to the Bible, Trinity” Daniel Showalter, Prof of Religion, Carthage College, WI, 1993, eds. Metzger and Coogan, p. 782
“The word Trinity is not found in the Bible.... It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church until the fourth century” (Illustrated Bible Dictionary, part 3, Intervarsity Press, Tyndale House Publishers, 1980, p. 1).
The Trinity “is not directly and immediately the Word of God” (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 304).
 “In Scripture there is yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word ‘Trias’ (of which the Latin ‘Trinitas’ is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about 180 AD.... Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of ‘Trinitas’ in Tertullian” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1912, Vol. 15, p. 47).
“Hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for [Tertullian] does not apply the words [which were later applied to Trinitarianism] to Trinitarian theology” (Michael O’Carroll, Trinitas: A Theological Encyclopedia of the Holy Trinity, 1987, p. 208).
“The Revelation of God in the Gospels: the Father: (Hastings Dictionary of Christ and the Gospels, art. “Trinity,” Vol. 2, p. 761  
             We must never forget that Christianity was built upon the foundation of Jewish monotheism. A long providential discipline had secured to the Jewish people their splendid heritage of faith in the one and only God. "Hear, O Israel, Yahweh our God is the one and only Yahweh, and you are to love Yahweh your God with all your heart and all your soul and with all your might" (Deuteronomy 6:4). This was the cornerstone of the religion of Israel [and of Jesus] these were perhaps the most familiar of all sacred words to the ears of the pious Jew [including Jesus], they were recited continually. Our Lord himself had them frequently in his mind  (Matthew 22:37 Mark 12:28, 29, Luke 10:27). That Jesus thought of God always as the supreme One is unquestionable. Indeed the very idea of fatherhood, which with our Lord, is the characteristic conception, and which is capable of being presented in a way which might weaken or injure a true monotheism, becomes in his teaching absolutely monotheistic because absolutely universal Matthew 5:45, 48; 7:11, 8:11; 10:29; Luke 6:35, 13:29, 30; 15). To the Jewish mind the sovereignty of God was the natural and characteristic thought. In our Lord's teaching the divine fatherhood overshadows and also transforms the divine sovereignty but never threatens to dissolve the pure and splendid monotheism of the original doctrine… 
God is the universal Father. He is, in a very intimate and special way, the Father of the disciples of Jesus. He is in a highest and unique sense the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We find then that the teaching of our Lord Jesus and of the Gospels concerning God is the union of a true and unwavering monotheism, with a great doctrine of mediation, according to which God and man enter into very close relationship in the person of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.”